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[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.02

Caño Cristales, Columbia

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Gjt

(1): Map Wolf

Map Wolf

(1): faüstiv

Not Voting

(7): Rise, TheGildedSun, Map Wolf, GayBabyJailor, Titus, Blatant Scum, GuiltyLion

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-20 10:30:00).

Mod notes:

Rise is the new TheGoldenParadox

Titus is V/LA until Monday[/area]

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: Map Wolf

page 2 reads list looks fake

[Map Wolf]

VOTE: Map Wolf

page 2 reads list looks fake

I'll admit it's very arbitrary as it's mostly just me guessing off of few posts.
But could you elaborate on why you find it fake?

[Gjt]

To be fair it is early tor a reads list, but by posting one it's good to see reactions, was hoping it would have pulled a few more in. Seems everywhere no one likes talking D1 worried they'll slip.

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: Map Wolf

page 2 reads list looks fake

I'll admit it's very arbitrary as it's mostly just me guessing off of few posts.
But could you elaborate on why you find it fake?

Because I've played a ton of mafia and I've learned to be able to discern awkward "trying too hard" qualities that are generally more likely to come from scum

First, you felt compelled to explain

why

you were posting a readslist in the first place, "since people aren't that active". Theres nothing wrong with posting a readslist, but introducing it like that it's as if you're defending yourself already against an imaginary question of why you were posting it.

Second you take very tentative and weak stances on basically everyone. "Neutral" is not an alignment and not a read. Everyone is either town or scum and if you can't tell me how you feel about them yet then you're not really giving reads at all. Even your scumread is very hedgey, "leaning somewhat scum" reads like you're afraid to make real waves by calling somebody out.

Third, why even comment on players who haven't posted yet? Everybody knows we hadn't posted. Again it's just awkward - sometimes that comes from townies who don't really know what they're doing yet but in my experience it's decent odds of scum.

Finally it's odd that your strongest townread is GBJ, who I actually also find scummy. What makes you think scum couldn't be aggressive? For someone who seems generally hesitant to call everybody town or scum it's weird that you feel most comfortable about that slot in particular.

[GayBabyJailor]

VOTE: Map Wolf

page 2 reads list looks fake

I'll admit it's very arbitrary as it's mostly just me guessing off of few posts.
But could you elaborate on why you find it fake?

Because I've played a ton of mafia and I've learned to be able to discern awkward "trying too hard" qualities that are generally more likely to come from scum

First, you felt compelled to explain

why

you were posting a readslist in the first place, "since people aren't that active". Theres nothing wrong with posting a readslist, but introducing it like that it's as if you're defending yourself already against an imaginary question of why you were posting it.

Second you take very tentative and weak stances on basically everyone. "Neutral" is not an alignment and not a read. Everyone is either town or scum and if you can't tell me how you feel about them yet then you're not really giving reads at all. Even your scumread is very hedgey, "leaning somewhat scum" reads like you're afraid to make real waves by calling somebody out.

Third, why even comment on players who haven't posted yet? Everybody knows we hadn't posted. Again it's just awkward - sometimes that comes from townies who don't really know what they're doing yet but in my experience it's decent odds of scum.

Finally it's odd that your strongest townread is GBJ, who I actually also find scummy. What makes you think scum couldn't be aggressive? For someone who seems generally hesitant to call everybody town or scum it's weird that you feel most comfortable about that slot in particular.

rude

but true tbh i wouldnt trust me either

[Gjt]

Anyone else down with Gaybabyjailor being Scum, I feel a more uneasy with Map Wolfs read lost each time I re read it and kinda agree with GuiltyLion, but not convinced either way yet

[Blatant Scum]

VOTE: Wolf
L-2

[faüstiv]

VOTE: Map Wolf

page 2 reads list looks fake

I'll admit it's very arbitrary as it's mostly just me guessing off of few posts.
But could you elaborate on why you find it fake?

Because I've played a ton of mafia and I've learned to be able to discern awkward "trying too hard" qualities that are generally more likely to come from scum

First, you felt compelled to explain

why

you were posting a readslist in the first place, "since people aren't that active". Theres nothing wrong with posting a readslist, but introducing it like that it's as if you're defending yourself already against an imaginary question of why you were posting it.

Second you take very tentative and weak stances on basically everyone. "Neutral" is not an alignment and not a read. Everyone is either town or scum and if you can't tell me how you feel about them yet then you're not really giving reads at all. Even your scumread is very hedgey, "leaning somewhat scum" reads like you're afraid to make real waves by calling somebody out.

Third, why even comment on players who haven't posted yet? Everybody knows we hadn't posted. Again it's just awkward - sometimes that comes from townies who don't really know what they're doing yet but in my experience it's decent odds of scum.

Finally it's odd that your strongest townread is GBJ, who I actually also find scummy. What makes you think scum couldn't be aggressive? For someone who seems generally hesitant to call everybody town or scum it's weird that you feel most comfortable about that slot in particular.

What do you think of Map Wolf’s 38

[faüstiv]

Since people aren't that active, I think I might as well do a read list:

Faustiv,

neutral for now. Is kind of aggressive, but I don't think that's all that alignment indicative at least so far.

Gjr,

neutral leaning somewhat scum. Seems defensive in tone, but this could also be town too afraid of being lynched. (Which you shouldn't be all that much, since being lynched early doesn't lose the game)

Blatant,

neutral. Some stuff posted doesn't make sense to me like 24. Hasn't actually tried to read anyone. Yet.

Titus,

V/LA for now.

TGS,

Neutral.

GBJ,

Town-leaning. Seems a bit aggressive for scum.

Rise,

not posted so far.

GuiltyLion

hasn't posted either.

Do you think GBJ has been ‘direct’ or ‘disfriendly’?

[TheGildedSun]

VOTE: GayBabyJailor

I have been meaning to comment on this for a while now. I cannot tell whether or not their responses are short because they are scum. As it may just be because they are a new player and warming up to Forum Mafia, which I completely understand.

Think of this vote as less of a threat and more so as a poke, for you to open up with your opinions.

So far the things Jailor has said seem to just agree with whatever was previously said by other players.

For instance:

hello i have arrived
gjt sus af

hello i have arrived
gjt sus af

That's a rather fast conclusion to be honest. Not that it makes you scum, since that would perhaps be a bit aggressive.

ok maybe gjt isn't as sus as i say

Here they seem to just agree with what MapWolf said about their read of Gjt and went along with it.

Jailor, why did you initially claim that Gjt was suspicious, what is YOUR reasoning? (Not anyone elses, specifically yours.)
Also, what made you stop thinking he was suspicious? Was it only because of Map Wolf?

One thing to know about playing mafia is that you'll need to trust your gut instinct, don't let others deter you from your opinions. Who knows if that player who is trying to shift your views is actually scum and trying to make everyone believe in mafia's favor?

[Rise]

Hey all.

Thoughts so far:

- Not totally sold on GuiltyLion's #54. Maybe it's because I don't have much experience, but it seems like a stretch. I do have a few problems with MapWolf's readlist and will point them out when I'm on a computer, but it generally seems ok. It's very early on in the game so I don't think it's realistic for anyone to have strong scum/town readings.
- Strongly agree with TGS's #60. I was actually going to comment something similar but she bet me to it. So far, all GBJ has done is 1) shade people (#34, #48), 2) backpeddle (#39), and 3) make a comment that doesn't really say anything (#55). To me, it looks like they're trying to blend in without actually contributing. Unless we get a good reason for their actions, I'm gonna assume I'm right.
- Blatant scum's behaviour is realllyyyy weird. Again, I'll probably clarify when I'm on a computer.

For now, I'm gonna have to go with VOTE: Blatant Scum

[faüstiv]

yo

[Blatant Scum]

Hail.

[GayBabyJailor]

ok bros heres my list

wolf: scum
blatant scum: scum
tgs: town
rise: town
gjt: town?
faus: town?
guiltylion: scum?

[Blatant Scum]

I want this game to be a relaxing one.

Can we jump from the "BS is totally scum" stage of day 1 right into the "BS is townlean" stage of day 1?

Just pretend I trolled so hard that I am unlikely to be scum.
Thank you.

[GayBabyJailor]

I want this game to be a relaxing one.

Can we jump from the "BS is totally scum" stage of day 1 right into the "BS is townlean" stage of day 1?

Just pretend I trolled so hard that I am unlikely to be scum.
Thank you.

i think i read a gambit on the wiki about this

[Blatant Scum]

Can you link it, please?

[TheGildedSun]

ok bros heres my list

wolf: scum
blatant scum: scum
tgs: town
rise: town
gjt: town?
faus: town?
guiltylion: scum?

What makes you draw these assumptions? Elaborate a little bit. What do you think of the tone coming from some of the posts?

[GayBabyJailor]

Can you link it, please?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Too_Townie

found it

[GayBabyJailor]

ok bros heres my list

wolf: scum
blatant scum: scum
tgs: town
rise: town
gjt: town?
faus: town?
guiltylion: scum?

What makes you draw these assumptions? Elaborate a little bit. What do you think of the tone coming from some of the posts?

blatant scum cuz they say their reads are bad as the reason to not post them like what???
wolf idk honestly
tgs:you are very questioning of me that's town
rise: same
gjt faus and guiltylion: didnt want to put neutral

[Blatant Scum]

blatant scum cuz they say their reads are bad as the reason to not post them like what???

Waste of energy.
I will rather mechsolve this game on day 3.

[TheGildedSun]

blatant scum cuz they say their reads are bad as the reason to not post them like what???
wolf idk honestly

tgs:you are very questioning of me that's town
rise: same

gjt faus and guiltylion: didnt want to put neutral

What makes you believe specifically that that is a town trait? In fact it is a common scum tactic to start questioning someone who is innocent to raise suspicions and hopefully get them lynched. (For an extra kill)

[GayBabyJailor]

blatant scum cuz they say their reads are bad as the reason to not post them like what???
wolf idk honestly

tgs:you are very questioning of me that's town
rise: same

gjt faus and guiltylion: didnt want to put neutral

What makes you believe specifically that that is a town trait? In fact it is a common scum tactic to start questioning someone who is innocent to raise suspicions and hopefully get them lynched. (For an extra kill)

the fact that you're saying this makes you more town to me lol
yes i know it's a thing for scum to harass someone but i doubt both you and rise are scum

[TheGildedSun]

blatant scum cuz they say their reads are bad as the reason to not post them like what???

Waste of energy.
I will rather mechsolve this game on day 3.

Some games don't last to D3. (Town kills a mafia D1, and D2. Game is won.)

If we make efforts to gamesolve early then the game can be won in the towns favor. If we as town continue to wait it out then scum will gain leverage, and if you are truly town then that's not something you'd want, is it?