Perfect Masquerade [Game Over]

[Gentleman 5]

Town G8 doesn’t choose L2.
Scum G8 chooses Town L2.
Scum G8 doesn’t choose Scum L2.

There!
It’s more clear now!

if you believe that

vote me

Depending on what G5/L4 flips I might.

Are you trying to drive me away from them?
If so, why exactly?

Like this was pointless, no?

[Gentleman 7]

I looked back at G5, and I'm not really seeing what you found up with him, G6?

Is it just that he's shading a bunch of people (I don't really agree with this, it doesn't feel too suspicious to me), or is it specifically L8?
I suppose I might have found that scummier if he was using this as a way to attack you, but unless I'm mistaken, he was going after her since before that as well (And I don't feel that great about L8 right now). But to me, it felt a bit overly tunnel-ish, but not really that terrible in that he's obvscum. And between him and L8, I'd rather lynch L8.

Also, what made you change your mind on G5? Or is it that you've just given up on him for now?


Everyone seemed to miss my vote on G8, but I'm there too. Just so people aren't miscounting.

[Lady 9]

As an example, in the early game, they called Celeste leanscum because of "small concerns" with no reason given.
They recently changed that to leantown because of Celeste's "effort" even though she's literally been an absentee slot for the vast majority of the game outside of D1.
They noncommittally give milquetoast takes and ask questions that they never really follow up on when they actually are posting alignment indicative content.

Very good points here.

Gent 1, why did your read on me change?

Gent 6, where are you focusing for the first lynch, gent 1 or gent 5?

G1 - So I really havent had time to personally witness him in action so I have to go by rereading. I really do not like his way of nicknames, as it makes going back kinda a pain if you dont know the person. I feel like most of his questioning didnt really go anywhere, and that he didnt follow through on any of it. #1658 seems like the only post worth its weight, the rest looks like just asking questions and nicknames. Meh slot.

I kinda agree with the posts above.

But the con is that L5 lives awhile longer.

I think Lady 5 is playing too weird to actually be scum this game. Gent 8 hasn't done anything, his proposals were pretty bad though. I'm in agreement that Gent 8 needs to go before the final 3-4 or so pairings, as he isn't doing anything to make himself readable

Gent 6, I'm halfway on Gent 3/Lady 6, I townread Lady 6 but don't have a read on Gent 3 (even after I look at his iso, I can't seem to get a good feel for him), can you explain why he is town?

[Gentleman 3]

he disappears after the attention is off of him until I bring up suspicion of him again, at which point he fails to address any concerns and disappears into the blue.

Hi, not my job to address your vague concerns, but it is my job to answer questions, which nobody asked me last night?

I've already said I have no interest in getting involved with the shit fights today. I also have no interest in deciding which of the pairs that we're definitely going to lynch we should lynch first. But I also don't think we should discuss endgame pairings before intermission...

So that pretty much means shutting up and voting.

[Gentleman 3]

(yes, this is me reading G3 again. he posts some smart things.)

This post made me want to replace out or try to get you force-replaced.

Why is this so difficult for you.

[Gentleman 4]

he disappears after the attention is off of him until I bring up suspicion of him again, at which point he fails to address any concerns and disappears into the blue.

Hi, not my job to address your vague concerns, but it is my job to answer questions, which nobody asked me last night?

I've already said I have no interest in getting involved with the shit fights today. I also have no interest in deciding which of the pairs that we're definitely going to lynch we should lynch first. But I also don't think we should discuss endgame pairings before intermission...

So that pretty much means shutting up and voting.

This is pretty much undeniably a scum post, like a lot of his other posts. I'm not really sure why people are defending him, you don't even really have to look.

[Gentleman 3]

This may be a shock to you, but the burden of proof for that unsupported statement is actually on you, not the people defending me.

[Gentleman 4]

Would you like to share your thoughts on the Lynch for today?

[Gentleman 5]

(yes, this is me reading G3 again. he posts some smart things.)

This post made me want to replace out or try to get you force-replaced.

?????

Am I missing something that happened?

[Gentleman 5]

Hey G3, if you could, can you tell us what you and L6 are up to in pt?

[Lady 7]

So my real life dance partner left my lights on all night after moving my car. FML. Might as well talk about a few things while waiting for someone to jump my car.

Anyway, I read through G5, and I don't see where he's so obvscum. I agree with G1 that he's artificially aggressive; that was the one thing that was bugging me last night when reading his iso and I couldn't quite put my finger on it. But, I'm not so sure that's scummy. (Well I know how I feel about it, my kneejerk is that it's scummy but after getting into numerous fights with town who feel fake or artificially aggressive, I know it's not necessarily actually scummy it's just how some people approach town and how I approached being town way back.)

So besides that and a few generically scummy posts here and there he doesn't really feel like scum. There's quite a few thoughts here and there that he's brought up that are things I've wondered about in a similar fashion. His concerns on L9, L8 and L3 specifically jump to mind. I thought there was something else, but it's just something that popped out at me. I know it's super dangerous to decide someone is town because hey they're looking at the game in a similar lens as you because that's just such an egotistical way to read the game that I've seen people getting burned for over and over. But I can't deny that it makes me feel good about him.

G6 - I don't really see the way he's treated you and your read on L8 in the same way you expressed it the other night. I think you're cooling on this read and feeling a little bit, and I'm sure that it feels differently to you because you're close to it and it has to do with you personally. He's been suspecting L8 since he came into the game, and it looks like to me that he was trying to get you to give a read on L8 because he suspects her, not because he's trying to discredit any of your other reads due to L8. Does that make sense? I don't know if I'm misunderstanding your point though. The only thing that I saw that could come close to discrediting your reads was when he scoffed that you didn't have more certain reads 40something pages in to the game, which on the face of it isn't that much farther away than your suspicion that not having/outing town reads is scummy. Except he doesn't call you scum for it.

I also meta'd chennisden a little bit to see how he enters the game as scum, and the scum game I looked at, which wasn't that far off, was a little bit congenial and not very game related in entrance which felt different than here. I know that's kind of dangerous because extremely small sample size, this is an alt game, and he wasn't here for long, so this probably isn't really relevant actually, but it did have a different feel.

So all in all, this is a leaning town read, wherein my caution lies in the feeling of fake aggression and posts here and there that feel like him forcing himself to post something.

One of the things that I agreed on with G5 was concerns about L8. My initial impression of L8 was that she felt wooden and was asking questions that weren't all that game related. When I went back to reread the parts I skimmed, I found that my original impressions weren't really right. She was more involved in the actual game than I thought she was and there were some posts that felt a little bit more lifelike, but overall there was a generally flat tone. G5 described her as hollow, which is pretty much in line with what my feelings were there. The next thing that bugged me about L8 is the feeling that she's pandering to G6. Like the way she's said more than once how obvtown he is, he's a paragon, etc etc. In Marketplace III there was a scum hydra in which Quilford kept posting things his hydra partner N said and calling it obvtown. Sometimes the way she does it feels like that hydra. It just feels skeevy. I don't think doing it in general means that she's definitely scum; something about the way she just doesn't feel right. And I don't think it's because they're a scum hydra. It feels like pandering. The way she also attacks G5 feels the same way - constantly getting after him for death tunneling her all game is one thing that feels like using something to amp up the attack. And I really dislike the way she gets after him for not outing town reads, which just really feels like parroting G6.

I'm really really torn on this read though. There was something I liked about her saying she was a good late game player. I have absolutely no idea why I liked it at all, so please don't ask me to unpack that. It probably felt good rhythmically at the time of reading. I liked that she also said that she's playing slower so as not to altslip, which could explain some of the wooden feeling posts. There's also some well-timed snark I like. Which yeah none of the stuff I like is really alignment indicative, but it still pushes the needle a little. I liked her considerations on G8 yesterday. I don't particularly like her thinking she's obvtown though because much of her play has not actually been obvtown. I might not still have my +10 towniness ring, but I do know a little something about being an obvtown player, so when someone makes that claim while not being quite obvtown I'm like yes Bork I see you there. (This is not a main guess just a reminder of a time Bork was scum while trying to pretend he was obvtown.)

Anyway because L8 is paired up with someone I think is really really town, I'm not inclined to really scum read her or push this because there's no way in hell that I'm going after this slot unless I'm really really sure, which might never happen knowing me. Mostly in observation mode here.

G7 explained the possible associate between G8 and L2 in way that I understand more. It still feels weird to me that they'd both be scum though. G8 not coming in at all makes me concerned.

I see there's a case on G1, which is way more fleshed out than my original feel of sometimes posting to post concern.

Anyway the tl;dr of this post is that I'm leaning town on G5, but have a couple reservations and am concerned about L8 but I'm in observation mode.

Sorry I'm wordy. I should have some time later tonight when I get home from work to consider some of the other thoughts floating around in my head. My time starts to free up more on Wednesdays though.

[Lady 7]

Oops when talking about G5 above and I said that we shared concerns on L3, i meant to say G3.

[Gentleman 3]

Would you like to share your thoughts on the Lynch for today?

Sure.

I highly doubt that either G8/L5 or G1/L2 will make endgame in any circumstances. These pairs should be lynched today, but they should be allowed to catch up say what they want first.

[Gentleman 3]

*catch up and say

[Gentleman 3]

PT's pretty much dead as of now. I'm just starting to throw some thoughts in there but I think L6 just hasn't been around.

[Gentleman 1]

Now that this game seems a little less chaotic I will probably start catching up again soon.

[Lady 6]

PT's pretty much dead as of now. I'm just starting to throw some thoughts in there but I think L6 just hasn't been around.

I'm here now. I've got paperwork today but I will check in periodically. Don't feel bad leaving notes. I'll read them before catching up with the thread as a whole.

[Lady 6]

he disappears after the attention is off of him until I bring up suspicion of him again, at which point he fails to address any concerns and disappears into the blue.

Hi, not my job to address your vague concerns, but it is my job to answer questions, which nobody asked me last night?

I've already said I have no interest in getting involved with the shit fights today. I also have no interest in deciding which of the pairs that we're definitely going to lynch we should lynch first. But I also don't think we should discuss endgame pairings before intermission...

So that pretty much means shutting up and voting.

This is pretty much undeniably a scum post, like a lot of his other posts. I'm not really sure why people are defending him, you don't even really have to look.

That's how I feel about your ISO.

If you have no intention on aiding shit fights, and you think G8 is obvscum, stop trying to kill me by proxy. Thanks.

[Lady 6]

Town G8 doesn’t choose L2.
Scum G8 chooses Town L2.
Scum G8 doesn’t choose Scum L2.

There!
It’s more clear now!

if you believe that

vote me

No one gives a fuck when I give a reason. Ill just tell it to the wall.

This can only be said for show. Seems fake.

Shade I know. Just call me littlefinger its all I do apparently

Then we flip G8 and then look. We don't do L2 first.

[Lady 2]

Town G8 doesn’t choose L2.
Scum G8 chooses Town L2.
Scum G8 doesn’t choose Scum L2.

There!
It’s more clear now!

if you believe that

vote me

Depending on what G5/L4 flips I might.

Are you trying to drive me away from them?
If so, why exactly?

Like this was pointless, no?

Okay I'll be real like I said I misread her post initially and the way I misread it it looked like she was saying the only realistic possibility was that I'm scum. In which case should she not vote me? If she was going to throw that type of association around, shouldn't she act on it?

[Lady 6]

The rationalization that you're scum depends on G8 scum, so no.

[Lady 2]

Yes like I said I misread it, which I've already mentioned previously. I'm just saying given I misread it, that's why I said that.

[Lady 4]

You guys are still super fucking wrong about g8/l2

[Lady 2]

How do you see it, L4?

[Gentleman 4]

VOTE: Gentleman 3