Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[Datisi]

Yoink

[Luca Blight]

I believe he also said he didn’t see anything else that needed commenting on at the time.

He has all these problems with Menalque’s approach, so your think he would have said something at least.

[Luca Blight]

That’s actually a good point against emps @Ali. Perpetually catching up is a great way to fly under the radar as scum while looking busy/productive.

[Datisi]

@Emps, I like that you're doing catchups "real-time", but is there ever any "conclusion"? What are your reads atm?

I'm gonna

piggyback

this question.
Wicked didn't do catchups real time and he had more content than you.

~ahem~

[Luca Blight]

I don’t really like Wicked’s subtle shading of Datisi, feels like he’s nitpicking at things to create doubts over the slot while still aligning with the popular opinion.

[Luca Blight]

I still think the Wimpy slot has a decent chance of flipping scum. I think if he were Town he’d be more likely to take the lynch with some degree of satisfaction at proving people wrong.

[emps]

@Emps, I like that you're doing catchups "real-time", but is there ever any "conclusion"? What are your reads atm?

I'm gonna

piggyback

this question.
Wicked didn't do catchups real time and he had more content than you.

~ahem~

lol oof

town
{ico} - strong tl
{datisi, luca} - tl
{wicked, alduskel(or however you say it), mena} - null
{alimidia} - nullscum
{wimpy slot} - scumlean (might need to reconsider, ill look into it tmrw)
scum

[emps]

I still think the Wimpy slot has a decent chance of flipping scum. I think if he were Town he’d be more likely to take the lynch with some degree of satisfaction at proving people wrong.

but wimpy gladly accepting the lynch cpuld be AtEing as well

[Datisi]

Ok first part is here let's hear some reasonings boi

[Luca Blight]

Datisi

Town Read

Icon
...
Menalque
Ali
Aldu

Null

emps
Wicked/Wimpy

Scum-lean

That's kind of where I'm at right now.

[Datisi]

Ali above Aldu?

[Luca Blight]

I'm still undecided about Ali: he's made a few good points here and there, although I get the feeling he is playing the role of 'mediator' which is rubbing me up the wrong way a bit.

Aldu has shown me nothing AI whatsoever, but they're both around the null area.

[Iconeum]

what is your definition of tunnelling exactly?

Me or icon?

Getting locked into the belief that someone is scum and losing the ability to engage with them beyond conf!biasing everything they do/say as explainable through scum motivations

Ok so you were/are tunneling there. Can you revisit and tell me how much of a scumread you still have there?

Hey guys,

Briefly checking in here during my lunch break. Had I known that this micro game I signed up for would be the fastest moving game I’ve ever been a part of, I would and should’ve announced V/LA yesterday. I had a few hours to read through the thread but didn’t have any time to contribute anything. In general, I don’t like posting when I’m not caught up.

Ico, you vote me for ‘of all the things to comment on’ I only asked Wimpy about his experience. Just because it’s the only thing I commented on doesn’t mean it’s the only thing I wanted to comment on. It’s simply

the only thing I had time to comment on.

Wimpy’s experience was the thing I was most curious about after reading the first few pages (and I’m not the only person that was interested in his answer).

I’ll explain that more and contribute more of my thoughts/questions when i get home.

Could be a timing thing, but like I said, of

all

the things you COULD have commented on, you choose something that is probably the MOST NAI.

I think I get this confident in basically every game I play but I wouldn’t say my confidence level was ever over 65% on wimpy!scum

Which I know doesn’t look great but that’s how much he was pissing me off

Ur right it doesn't look great lol. When reading I'd say you were about 100.000.000.000 % sure you caught scum, not 65%.

Man this is so lazy. Menal lies and you can’t even bother to verify it? You instead side with him?

Please lynch me. Town has proven they don’t want to win so I’ll happily be the first casualty

woah perspective slipping

dude wat

how is that perspective slipping and not a town that thinks he's being mistreated?

[Iconeum]

Datisi

Town Read

Icon
...
Menalque
Ali
Aldu

Null

emps
Wicked/Wimpy

Scum-lean

That's kind of where I'm at right now.

Decent, but I'm not mindmelting with you like apparently Datisi is.

[Iconeum]

@Emps, I like that you're doing catchups "real-time", but is there ever any "conclusion"? What are your reads atm?

I'm gonna

piggyback

this question.
Wicked didn't do catchups real time and he had more content than you.

~ahem~

lol oof

town
{ico} - strong tl
{datisi, luca} - tl
{wicked, alduskel(or however you say it), mena} - null
{alimidia} - nullscum
{wimpy slot} - scumlean (might need to reconsider, ill look into it tmrw)
scum

[Iconeum]

emps you just low-efforting due to whatever reason rn or are you scum?

i'm not letting you pocket me... again

[Iconeum]

I don’t really like Wicked’s subtle shading of Datisi, feels like he’s nitpicking at things to create doubts over the slot while still aligning with the popular opinion.

interesting pickup

[Iconeum]

I agree that having 20 pages of Mena/Wimpy/Datisi all arguing with each other was not pro-town at all. The three of them literally had over 90% of the posts in this thread at one point and it was all just repeating the same points over and over again. It's like Wimpy and Mena were both competing to have the last say even if that meant having the same conversation 50 times in a row. News flash: most people can read and are competent enough to form opinions on something without needing to read it over and over again.

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Datisi:

neutral, slight town lean
-She seems to be genuinely relaxed, I couldn't detect any discomfort or awkwardness. As far as her Wimpy-push goes, I agree with Ico's point that she would be setting herself up for scrutiny if she was scum pushing Wimpy-town, so the confidence expressed here, as one example, feels unlikely to come from Datisi-scum pushing a known mis-lynch. I'm inclined to think it's not bussing either.
-There are a couple small things that feel off to me like the doubt she expressed in Wimpy at some points and her lack of paranoia with Menalque. I'm having trouble explaining why these things are rubbing me the wrong way.
-This is another post that feels a little strange to me. Menalque and I literally just got out of a scum game where our third partner used to say stuff like this.

Datisi, what makes your play here so out of your scum range?

Wimpy:

neutral
-It's pretty obvious he didn't have 200+ games on Mafiascum. There are very few people that have that much experience and his play didn't indicate that either. It felt like he probably played a large portion of those games on some sort of real-time site, especially given this response. I wanted to get a sense of how many of his games were actual slow-paced forum games like this one because that's actually relevant experience in my eyes. If he had 30+ mafiascum games under his belt then that would make me feel much worse about his play here than if he had like 2 games under his belt and wasn't used to the site meta.
-I don't believe that over-defensiveness is a scum tell, but it does feel like Wimpy was more concerned with arguing with Mena/Datisi than actually sorting them.
-On the other hand, some of his defeatist/1v1 posts feel kinda townish to me: see 358 and 640. I also kinda believe him when he says he doesn't care how people read him.

Menalque:

neutral, slight scum lean
-I don't like his overly-confident push on Wimpy.
-I don't like what he's done to the game-state (helping spam the thread, f-bombing the guy that he's confidently scum-reading who has now replaced out)
-I don't like his warning to me here. Not only does it feel like a misrep waiting to happen but I'm still not sure why he makes that post as town.
-Regardless of his alignment, I think he crossed the line in his treatment of Wimpy. It kinda sucks that Wimpy replaced out and is leaving the site. Regardless of how irritable he may have been to certain people, he shouldn't have been treated that way and this feels like the wrong outcome.

Menalque, I know that you strongly prefer town. Why did you want to coast this game?


UNVOTE: VOTE: Menalque

Wicked chooses to list 3 players, and comes to 3 neutral conclusions despite putting out an extensive read on all 3, leaving whichever way to lean on any of them as the game goes.

But what really sticks out here is that he ends up with 3 neutral reads, and makes no attempt at all to sort them.

Furthermore, it's strange to come to a neutral-(slight) scumlean on both Wimpy AND Menal. If those 2 are scum, Wimpy never replaces out. Ever.

And knowing this, Town!wicked could easily pick up on this and say 'both slight scumlean, but not together'. Fails to do so.

[Datisi]

Furthermore, it's strange to come to a neutral-(slight) scumlean on both Wimpy AND Menal.

If those 2 are scum, Wimpy never replaces out. Ever.

Er, I don't disagree with the rest of the post, but I don't exactly get how you come to this conclusion?

[alimdia]

Furthermore, it's strange to come to a neutral-(slight) scumlean on both Wimpy AND Menal.

If those 2 are scum, Wimpy never replaces out. Ever.

Er, I don't disagree with the rest of the post, but I don't exactly get how you come to this conclusion?

He'd see it as bussing instead of being bullied?

[Luca Blight]

Ali, you're staying very neutral throughout all of this. Can I get some reads from you?

[Iconeum]

If menal and Wimpy are both scum, that means that Menal literally bully bussed his TEAMMATE out of the game. And if it was a show, Wimpy doesn't replace out because they've talked about it being theater in their PT.

My regards for Menal have dropped considerably, but not THAT much

[Iconeum]

ah but wait

didn't someone say scum do not have daytalk?

[Iconeum]

I was gonna say if they were scum buddies he could have just said in the scum pt

But I just realised there is no scum daytalk in this game.

[Iconeum]

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This game does not enable Mafia factional daytalk by default

.

Hmm. Yeah well my point stands. If you guys follow me in my thoughts that Menal doesn't do this to his TEAMMATE, then they CANNOT be scum together.