Mini Theme 2103 - E Bastard

[cyrus62]

but yes if we are lucky even if you lynch me we might still win so why not just get the show on the road.

[Chickadee]

Vork, you are literally the only person I'm willing to talk to right now, followed by Shot I think. Let's talk about this.

[Vorkuta]

my gamesolving ability skills are inversely proportional to how townread I am so you're better off talking to a coin but I'll oblige as best I can

-We're either in 3:1:1 or 4:1. "all threats" wincon means that we can't win w/ cult alive, so either way we get knocked down to 2:1 Lylo or 4:0 win gaem.
-3 scum with a cult game with """0""" town power feels WAY TOO BROKEN. Like someone else try and justify this for me. inb4 korina had something really spicy for us but... *tableflips*
-This leaves me unable to account for the ico kill. Maybe mod shenanigans. Maybe idk nom had a random venge component that was redacted.

And ofc again- bastard quota. "best case scenario" (3:1:1), we still have a townie who's dishonest, and I'm already making quite liberal assumptions (mod wording = 6, my roll "is" bastard (which idk why it should be), and all that.

Like you see why I'm in a rut. A cult lynch is the "simplest explanation" and optimal play on paper, but something doesn't sit right with me and that leaves a few unanswered questions.

@ALL Y'ALL.
are you really VTs? is there NOTHING ELSE AT ALL in your roll PMs?

[Vorkuta]

OK- let's forget about the "VT quota" and work "backwards"
Who are our bastard rolls?

Drew, Korina, Ico. That's just 3/7
shos suggested that scum has spice: fine= + nom & jigglypuff = 5/7.
Fine. I can be "bastard" = 6/7.

Who are we still missing?
The remaining "mafia" member?
Or do we have a townie who gifts random vig shots to people (you can tell how far I'm willing to reach at this point lawl) and you guys have kept quiet?

Spoiler:

Vork's amazing Bookkeeping vol #4

---not-Ded---
shos- VT #812
cyrus62- VT #870
Vorkuta- prolly not-bastard-PR #972
Kelly- VT #1247
Chickadee- VT turned cultist #1653

---Dead----
Iconeum- medium #1610
nomnomnom- Goon #1609
Chemist1422- VT #1240
PMysterious- Goon #1238
RCEnigma- VT #584
Baezu/FF- VT #765
Korina- ??? (modkilled, but I'm assuming ???) (Bastard role)
Doctor Drew- recruiter #763 (Bastard role)

---Verdict---
5/7 Non-Bastard Roles used up
(nom, Chemist, Jiggly, RCE, FF)

[cyrus62]

my gamesolving ability skills are inversely proportional to how townread I am so you're better off talking to a coin but I'll oblige as best I can

-We're either in 3:1:1 or 4:1. "all threats" wincon means that we can't win w/ cult alive, so either way we get knocked down to 2:1 Lylo or 4:0 win gaem.
-3 scum with a cult game with """0""" town power feels WAY TOO BROKEN. Like someone else try and justify this for me. inb4 korina had something really spicy for us but... *tableflips*
-This leaves me unable to account for the ico kill. Maybe mod shenanigans. Maybe idk nom had a random venge component that was redacted.

And ofc again- bastard quota. "best case scenario" (3:1:1), we still have a townie who's dishonest, and I'm already making quite liberal assumptions (mod wording = 6, my roll "is" bastard (which idk why it should be), and all that.

Like you see why I'm in a rut. A cult lynch is the "simplest explanation" and optimal play on paper, but something doesn't sit right with me and that leaves a few unanswered questions.

@ALL Y'ALL.
are you really VTs? is there NOTHING ELSE AT ALL in your roll PMs?

you know the rules we cant post are rp but yes im vt i know your a pr and shos is a vt . chick is cult do the math we can do this

also

remember day vote counts it pointed to gameplay all of day 1 and now we are here on the edge of the game.

[Vorkuta]

chick is cult do the math

Chickadee was originally VT: non-bastard.
Otherwise I'd be less unhappy.

day vote counts

He has a point
Can someone do a VCA?

[shos]

I'll gladly look at VCA of D1. hell, I might even do one myself since I have time today, (we're under rocket attacks the last 2 days so no going to work, just running to shelter every so often) with the proper motivation.

I...guess? that claim clears me indeed. I quite dislike it though.

Vork, please elaborate for a sec. Do you choose the TARGET and chage it, or the TARGETTER? As in, X shoots Y. you redirect to Z. You chose X and Z, or Y and Z?

N1- Drew -> Cyrus (Drew was town *sadface*)
N2- Jigglypuff -> Cyrus (jigglypuff didn't do the NK *sadface*)
N3- Cyrus -> Ico (idk)
N4- Shos -> Cyrus

Because N1 and N2 are sorta contradictive. Jig didn't do the NK - sadface - so if he did, he'd be recirected, regardless of who he targets? or was it, nobody shot jigglipuff and therefore sadface?

If you choose Y and Z, then I am no conftown. But since Chick is cult, I think perhaps at night we can use vork to redirect from me to chick. (either way if you both are still alive at night you should redirect to chick).
If you choose X and Z, then you probably converted cyrus N1 to cult, and chick is lying, and there actually is no scum.

I'm thinking let's lynch cyrus for my own sanity regardless of the game

[cyrus62]

only one trying to make stuff work i am.

[Vorkuta]

Do you choose the TARGET and chage it, or the TARGETTER? As in, X shoots Y. you redirect to Z. You chose X and Z, or Y and Z?

Night action- X inappropriately violates Y
Vork's action- redirect X (idgaf who Y is) to Z

So X & Z

Because N1 and N2 are sorta contradictive

I'm

disloyal

meaning my action on Drew -> Cyrus didn't go through.
I thought I'd prevent cult cancer from spreading.
*speculation*
If he was a cultist (cult aligned) recruiter, then everything would be hunky dory and I'd be able to "personally build" the cult.
Which is why I thought "might be bastardized".
That sounds Bastard to me, even thought I can't explicitly find a wiki entry confirming/denying such info.

Jig didn't do the NK - sadface - so if he did, he'd be recirected, regardless of who he targets?

Yes. I wanted jigglypuff to ""NK"" Cyrus (instead of FF, who he actually targetted) during N2.

[Vorkuta]

Vork is that wrong? It seems like that clears Shos.

that claim clears me indeed.

Uhh....

If shos scum and shot somebody, Cyrus would be dead
If shos cult, (and had a night action), Cyrus would be inappropriately touched in some way.
If shos town, with black magicry (#1677), then I did nothing.

But mod could be lying/lazy/trolling/following-his-own-rules so taking it as a hard clear irks me.

[shos]

I don't get the whole disloyal thing. It means that...... You sometimes don't work?

[Vorkuta]

You sometimes don't work?

yes

*ahem*
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Disloyal

I fail if I target (LAMIST) my own alignment.

Which is town. Just in case anyone missed that

I only do useful stuff if I target scum/cult.

Obviously I'm not told whether I failed because of the modifier or because of... the lack of redirect-able night actions.

[shos]

Let's lunch chick and get a better odds lylo

[Kelly Chen]

I'm going to read cyrus' old games this evening.

[Kelly Chen]

I think Shos is right... If we mislynch today, we can't lynch Chickadee at all. Chickadee would have to die at night and it doesn't seem like we can guarantee that. So, probably lynch Chickadee and try to get more info or direct the kill.

Let's say Vork remaps me to Cyrus. Then it seems like these could happen:
1. Cyrus dies. I would look bad but it's not conclusive.
2. I die. Vork/Shos/Cyrus figure it out.
3. Vork or Shos die, I am cleared.

You could do it other ways but the main thing is we would have to know for sure what Vork is planning to do.

[Vorkuta]

Shit
I can't even get hard guilties/clears.

i.e:
Scum A NKs person B
Vork: uses black magic powers to REDIRECT person C to person B.

Person B dies
Vork: mwahahaha I have caught C!

[Vorkuta]

Anyway- TL;DR
D5- Lynch cult, (3:1)
N5- random NK (doesn't even have to be me because I'm useless and wont provide insight)
D6- 2:1 Lylo.

This seems good ON PAPER.
But bastard quota, 3 scum w/ cult is BS, ico NK unaccounted for, etc.

However if it's town consensus then I'll hammer if need be.

[Kelly Chen]

Your example just shows you don't get hard guilties. If there's only one killer you can get clears.

[Kelly Chen]

Vork the insight you provide would stem from the town knowing what you're going to do N5. You would tell us that today.

[shos]

Your example just shows you don't get hard guilties. If there's only one killer you can get clears.

This.
if we lynch Chick, and you redirect kelly to cyrus, and I die (as supposed conftown), that means kelly didn't make the shot, leaving you to 1v1 cyrus (LOLOLOL)

[Vorkuta]

You would tell us that today.

Up to you guys how you want to play this.
Which ""3"" has the best chance in Lylo?

[Kelly Chen]

Good question but you can't really aim for it that way. You're going to get an array of possibilities. Kelly -> Cyrus seems good to me but I will take some time to write them all out. Should be 3*2 possibilities unless you can redirect to yourself. Can you redirect to yourself?

[Chickadee]

Why would you not be able to Lynch me? Even if the game ends when scum dies I don’t have a majority and I can’t get a majority. I’m literally just a guaranteed town sided vote at this point. I can’t win the game and only want to help town to get this game over with.

And if you don’t hit scum you bet they’re killing Vork tonight.


I knew claiming was stupid

[Kelly Chen]

We can't lynch you IF we mislynch today.

Claiming wasn't stupid at all, I guess the gratitude isn't showing but you hugely helped town with that.

[cyrus62]

Why would you not be able to Lynch me? Even if the game ends when scum dies I don’t have a majority and I can’t get a majority. I’m literally just a guaranteed town sided vote at this point. I can’t win the game and only want to help town to get this game over with.

And if you don’t hit scum you bet they’re killing Vork tonight.


I knew claiming was stupid

basicly sence no one pays attenion to me im going find away to end this i give up basicly i know i found scum . vork let me see if i got this right you only work if you dont aim for town?