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[cyrus62]

then lynch me have kelly hit chick if chick dont die then kelly is cleared .

[Kelly Chen]

Cyrus if we have 1:1:1 tomorrow then town can't win. Draw with cult is all that might be possible.

[cyrus62]

it wouldnt be 111 if you are scum and chick is cult that leaves 3 town and vork said he basicly cant hit other town when he moves it so he be hiting cult not town by scum and cult leaves 2 town vs 1 scum

[cyrus62]

your right its a long shot as maybe your not scum so yes if we wrong we lose . but useing scum to hit me wont work as i am town so since vork cant aim at town from scum it doesnt clear no one . if the scum your useing to hit other scum doesn't use thire na it doesn't work . i think im seeing the way vorks role works.

[cyrus62]

so yes i was wrong the way vork tried to use shos to hit me doesn't work to clear shos i see this now. since vork cant aim at town .

[cyrus62]

so i cant just say kelly is scum since vork cant use scum to hit town . so if any thing vork should know i am town not cult other wise i wouldn't be here.

[Kelly Chen]

Vork said he can use scum to hit town. But he couldn't use a vig to hit anybody.

[Kelly Chen]

It's probably done that way just so Vork could not control Drew...

[cyrus62]

so kelly what do you think of the day one vote counts and the fact that your still here wouldn't that fit the text of truth and pm was trying to say it wasn't the text of truth which would basically be scum covering for their partner?

@mod was that the text of truth in all of day 1s vote counts saying ?? was town?

[Kelly Chen]

These should be the basic 6 options.

Obviously all of the below assumes Vork is town and can be used to get clears! If these are NOT true then it's not clear how much the decision matters. It might still have some impact.

I liked Kelly -> Cyrus best but it sort of looks like it's biased against Cyrus. So I can live with Cyrus -> Kelly too. The difference there really is, if the below logic slaps an untrue guilty on somebody, do you want that guilty to be on me or on Cyrus?

The worst option is redirecting Shos again because this yields no conclusion if Vork or Shos are NKed.

Kelly to Cyrus:
1. Cyrus dies. Vork/Shos/Kelly alive, Kelly should be scum.
2. Kelly dies. Vork/Shos/Cyrus alive, Cyrus should be scum.
3. Vork dies, Kelly is cleared. Kelly/Shos/Cyrus alive. Cyrus should be scum.
4. Shos dies, Kelly is cleared. Kelly/Vork/Cyrus alive. Cyrus should be scum.

Cyrus to Kelly:
1. Kelly dies. Vork/Shos/Cyrus alive, Cyrus should be scum.
2. Cyrus dies. Vork/Shos/Kelly alive, Kelly should be scum.
3. Vork dies, Cyrus is cleared. Kelly/Cyrus/Shos alive, Kelly should be scum.
4. Shos dies, Cyrus is cleared. Kelly/Cyrus/Vork alive, Kelly should be scum.

Kelly to Shos:
1. Shos dies. Kelly/Vork/Cyrus alive, scum could be Kelly/Cyrus.
2. Kelly dies. Vork/Cyrus/Shos alive, Cyrus should be scum.
3. Vork dies, Kelly is cleared. Kelly/Cyrus/Shos alive, Cyrus should be scum.
4. Cyrus dies, Kelly is cleared. Vork/Kelly/Shos final three, something has gone wrong here.

Shos to Kelly:
1. Kelly dies. Vork/Shos/Cyrus alive, Cyrus should be scum.
2. Shos dies. Cyrus/Vork/Kelly alive, scum could be Cyrus/Kelly.
3. Cyrus dies, Shos is cleared again. Shos/Kelly/Vork alive, Kelly should be scum.
4. Vork dies, Shos is cleared again. Shos/Kelly/Cyrus alive, scum could be Kelly/Cyrus.

Cyrus to Shos:
1. Shos dies. Cyrus/Kelly/Vork alive, scum could be Cyrus/Kelly.
2. Cyrus dies. Vork/Kelly/Shos alive, Kelly should be scum.
3. Vork dies, Cyrus is cleared. Kelly/Cyrus/Shos alive, Kelly should be scum.
4. Kelly dies, Cyrus is cleared. Shos/Cyrus/Vork final three, something has gone wrong here.

Shos to Cyrus:
1. Cyrus dies. Shos/Kelly/Vork alive, Kelly should be scum.
2. Shos dies. Kelly/Vork/Cyrus alive, scum could be Kelly/Cyrus.
3. Kelly dies, Shos is cleared again. Vork/Cyrus/Shos alive, Cyrus should be scum.
4. Vork dies, Shos is cleared again. Kelly/Cyrus/Shos alive, scum could be Kelly/Cyrus.

[Vorkuta]

This is a high effort post.

What do I do again?

[Kelly Chen]

@cyrus

so kelly what do you think of the day one vote counts and the fact that your still here wouldn't that fit the text of truth and pm was trying to say it wasn't the text of truth which would basically be scum covering for their partner?

@mod was that the text of truth in all of day 1s vote counts saying ?? was town?

It was text of truth, you can quote and look at it.

Here's what I think, looking back at it.

Thread lock (Korina modkill) was post 583/584.
In 589 Vork says hey the vote on gameplay is gone, so it must be Korina and they're really gone.
Then nobody talks about gameplay.
In 621 PM brings up gameplay. PM concludes Korina was town and says maybe he could ONLY vote for gameplay. That's no defense.
Then 624 is the post you're talking about. It's a confusing post, I'm not sure what PM was questioning. Something about text of truth being green, whether Korina was actually modkilled if it wasn't written in text of truth.

[shos]

I knew claiming was stupid

This is only because cyrus is impossible lol

[Kelly Chen]

This is a high effort post.

What do I do again?

I can't really tell if you're trying to take some attitude with me, you have a role, we're trying to figure out how to use it. Your doubts about whether it can actually be used to clear anybody seem super speculative. I see nothing to lose in trying to do this, since it doesn't change who we would lynch today.

If you're asking a serious question, then you should redirect Cyrus to Kelly. That is my proposal, does anyone want to comment on it?

[cyrus62]

This is a high effort post.

What do I do again?

I can't really tell if you're trying to take some attitude with me, you have a role, we're trying to figure out how to use it. Your doubts about whether it can actually be used to clear anybody seem super speculative. I see nothing to lose in trying to do this, since it doesn't change who we would lynch today.

If you're asking a serious question, then you should redirect Cyrus to Kelly. That is my proposal, does anyone want to comment on it?

this is a waste i am town and nothing will happen some one else will still die lynch me redirect kelly and aim them at chick. if chick dies kelly is scum. case closed .

[cyrus62]

that will make it 2 town vs 1 scum.

[Kelly Chen]

It's not a waste Cyrus. If you are town, and Vork remaps you to me, and I do not die, it means you are cleared. That's great for town

Redirecting me to hit Chick only works (to kill Chick) if you are 100% sure I am scum. I'm not though. And Chick dying would not prove I was scum because it could be that YOU killed Chick. So, let's not try to do that. And lynching you today is a bad plan too I think.

I really can't think why anybody, including Chick, should be opposed to lynching Chick today. I know Chick will say we should hunt scum instead, but we should get some info from tonight, which will hopefully improve our lynch accuracy tomorrow.

[cyrus62]

and if im nk?

[cyrus62]

and what if shos is scum and kills you? or vork

[cyrus62]

yep chess in the dark.

[Kelly Chen]

For the Cyrus -> Kelly plan:

and if im nk?

If you die that will suggest Kelly scum. Because the alternatives are Vork and Shos.

and what if shos is scum and kills you? or vork

There is an assumption that Vork and Shos aren't scum. So if I get NKed that will make you look bad. But it also means I'm town, so nobody has to consider voting me. You/Vork/Shos will just have to figure it out.

I'm not saying people should accept that Vork and Shos are not scum. We should just choose the best possible redirect option for getting whatever info we might be able to get.

[cyrus62]

For the Cyrus -> Kelly plan:

and if im nk?

If you die that will suggest Kelly scum. Because the alternatives are Vork and Shos.

and what if shos is scum and kills you? or vork

There is an assumption that Vork and Shos aren't scum. So if I get NKed that will make you look bad. But it also means I'm town, so nobody has to consider voting me. You/Vork/Shos will just have to figure it out.

I'm not saying people should accept that Vork and Shos are not scum. We should just choose the best possible redirect option for getting whatever info we might be able to get.

the best ones where vork aims you at chick if chick dies we know your scum if he don't and you or vork die its shos so lynch me.

[cyrus62]

and i know its not shos so this ends the game .

unless good game vork

[cyrus62]

Nomnom is cool(and sane fortunately)
RCE seems cool. I have some meta on him even though I need more time for it to fully kick in, what he is showing now I like.

What are you two's thoughts on Drew's claim?

hmmm?

[shos]

Since I think Kelly is town, it is best if he redirects Kelly to Cyrus. That way in the case where Cyrus survives we get a Kelly conftown.

Surely I will die though
So it'll be vork v Cyrus 1v1, or, if Cyrus does, vork v kelly