Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Flavor Leaf]

Oof i think that we’re getting to that point where FL is successfully drowning the thread to the point that people start forgetting why he’s scummy and start focusing on the arguing around why he’s scummy which is less clearly scummy

Oh yeah, you dug your own grave tbh

Plus, I’m obviously cop confirmed town by now.

It’ll come out from someone eventually. People gonna think it’s probably RCE.

Ha.

[Menalque]

Honestly, cops should just investigate me

This is true tho

[RCEnigma]

Ok FL stop scumming I'm trying to take you under my wing right now lol.

[Korina]

But at the same time, imo, if you claim surv, you kinda deserve to die regardless.
Doesn't matter if you're claiming to side with whoever, as long as you live, you're still going against somebody.

pedit:
if you're important town acting like non-important town, lying about surv - you deserve death for claiming surv.
if you're actually surv, you deserve death for not claiming surv earlier.

Why.

Survivor wins if they live to endgame. That's it. That's all they gotta do.
That's also the problem with them. They wanna live till endgame. They don't win with anyone in particular, meaning they can freely betray a side if they choose. Sure, they could die as a result, but they're just doing what they can to speed up the game and get to endgame faster. If you're a survivor and you're not claiming that, you deserve to die because I don't know if you're gonna side with me or not. How do I know you're not gonna betray me later on? Meanwhile, if you claim it early, (D1), everyone is aware of that, and isn't really gonna bother with you until you give them a reason to. And, at that point, the entire game revolves around you because everyone wants to win your favor.

pedit:
@RCE No, but I have a murderboner for surv claims.

[Menalque]

Menalque walk me through this FL scumread without using vibe. I'll counter with a very specific meta wifom tell that only applies to me.

This sounds like a wonderful exchange of time and effort

[RCEnigma]

Every time you say you're confirmed by now, my PTSD triggers.

[Flavor Leaf]

Korina, I’m not survivor -.-

[Korina]

Ok, but you claimed survivor, and I want to kill anyone who claims survivor. Do you see the problem there FL?

[Menalque]

If we ever roll scum together we should do some really good theatre @FL

[RCEnigma]

Menalque walk me through this FL scumread without using vibe. I'll counter with a very specific meta wifom tell that only applies to me.

This sounds like a wonderful exchange of time and effort

Then case the guy to convince me he's scum. Because at this point, I'm not.

[Flavor Leaf]

the entire game revolves around you because everyone wants

to win

you

Literally all I saw from that post

[Rautherdir]

FOS: Raus

Let me know if y’all see it

See, at this point I think I'm just going to assume that everyone will scum read me regardless of any and all clears there may be. I could probably be an IC and it wouldn't matter.

p-edit
Does lynch all liars work if the person lying knows people will know they're lying?

I don’t lie, I just state things that aren’t true completely straight faced.

I’m the reaction test gold standard bearer

Well if you were meaning that as a reaction test, then I'm sorry but at least 4 other people have already called me scum today. And I have a daycop clear from the day before because of RCE. And a (probably) watcher claim from KidAmn saying I wasn't culted. And I keep having to bring this up for some reason. (Well, I never got to bring up the KidAmn part before. I also won't ever bring that part up again either, so...)

p-edit
Survivor does have the advantage of being a bad cult recruit. Since, ya know, they can already win with cult.

[Flavor Leaf]

If we ever roll scum together we should do some really good theatre @FL

@RCE - he’s setting me up when he flips scum

[Menalque]

I thought FL’s gov push was agenda-y in ways that neither mine nor vork’s were

I think that’s where I initially started feeling iffy about him

[Menalque]

If we ever roll scum together we should do some really good theatre @FL

@RCE - he’s setting me up when he flips scum

*sigh*

[Menalque]

Do we remember the last time when FL accused me of trying to set up things in a future gamestate, @RCE?

[Rautherdir]

I thought FL’s gov push was agenda-y in ways that neither mine nor vork’s were

I think that’s where I initially started feeling iffy about him

To be fair, FL claimed he could win by getting the Governor shot, and otherwise was a survivor. But then again, it's FL, so...

[RCEnigma]

I thought FL’s gov push was agenda-y in ways that neither mine nor vork’s were

I think that’s where I initially started feeling iffy about him

I'd agree with this, I don't think it's his scumplay though.

[RCEnigma]

I thought FL’s gov push was agenda-y in ways that neither mine nor vork’s were

I think that’s where I initially started feeling iffy about him

To be fair, FL claimed he could win by getting the Governor shot, and otherwise was a survivor. But then again, it's FL, so...

He was lying about that too, obviously.

[Korina]

Wait, did FL claim he was surv in the pre-d1 phase?

[Menalque]

Menalque walk me through this FL scumread without using vibe. I'll counter with a very specific meta wifom tell that only applies to me.

This sounds like a wonderful exchange of time and effort

Then case the guy to convince me he's scum. Because at this point, I'm not.

Can I like do this later

I probably will but I’m phone posting and I have a rule about cases and phones (namely the two do not go together)

[Flavor Leaf]

@Raus - i didn’t call you scum, I said FOS.

I read the gamestate.

Just because I scum read them doesn’t mean I think they’re scum, duh. I try to figure out why I think they are scum, so a lot of early game for me is look into who was doing what, why am I scum reading said person, is someone trying to make sure I scum read this person? So i effectively can end up town reading someone specifically because I scum read them

[Menalque]

Wait, did FL claim he was surv in the pre-d1 phase?

I think so, after FF gladiated and he could no longer get gov

[Menalque]

I thought FL’s gov push was agenda-y in ways that neither mine nor vork’s were

I think that’s where I initially started feeling iffy about him

I'd agree with this, I don't think it's his scumplay though.

Okay I’m listening, why?

[Menalque]

@Raus - i didn’t call you scum, I said FOS.

I read the gamestate.

Just because I scum read them doesn’t mean I think they’re scum, duh. I try to figure out why I think they are scum, so a lot of early game for me is look into who was doing what, why am I scum reading said person, is someone trying to make sure I scum read this person? So i effectively can end up town reading someone specifically because I scum read them

This is why people get false positives on me

I sometimes wonder how I’d play if you hadn’t been an SE in my first newbie