Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[popsofctown]

Pushing a coherent case on a townie is not out of Iconeum's scumrange. I guess all the people who were in AvP are dead but he did that Day 1 and Day 4 in that game

Mimicking a human read progression seems to be outside his scumrange and he's been like prequel film Hayden Christiansen in this game

[popsofctown]

Datisi: one person is ambivalent, one play hasn't posted yet and if you're even remotely familiar with that player who is emps you know he won't be more favorable towards pops than ambivalence.

It was actually me who (sort of) said this, not Datisi.

I actually see your point regarding Icon, and if you flip Town then I'll definitely be looking more closely at him Tomorrow if I'm still around, but I definitely don't want that lynch Today.

Don't give me this shit
You engage me about Iconeum today
I don't get to engage with you tomorrow, at least 5 townies want to do a level 0 analysis of my play. Which is forgivable
This post is not forgivable, I can't tell if you deepwolfed day 1 and are making sure you can pivot for sweep or bus or are being a lazy bum. but "taking a look at him tomorrow" doesn't work. He's going to have less and less cause for developing his play on future days, that's the structure of a micro, you need to figure this out now

[popsofctown]

btw it's worth pointing out that the way Iconeum referred to the slot in general seems to leak Iconeum suggested Alduskkel for PR and Alduskkel was shot over emps or Luca

[emps]

Need to policy vig emps in every game I play with him from now on....

Just checked emps games, this is the only game he is in right now. I'm V/LA and I'm posting more than him wtf?

uh i have a higher postcount but ok

also, dont have much time. life has been busy but like i can check on 1 or more times a day so like i dont need to declare vla lmao

[emps]

also, luca and wicked have been posting less then me

you really have it out for me lmao

[Luca Blight]

I get your point about Icon and can feel myself being slowly talked round to suspecting him, but it isn't that strong and I still feel you're more likely to flip scum than he is.

Icon's play resembles what I'd expect from previous experience with him, although he is generally less townie here than in those games. The reason I TR him is due to: Confronting Menalque and defending Wimpy upon entering the thread, pushing Aldu for a claim and then linking Menalque and Aldu as partners following the lack of hammer. These I consider townie thought processes and are consistent from what I'd expect from Town!Icon.

I'm not just going to lynch my stronger TR because he made a few awkward looking posts.

[popsofctown]

he is scum that is angry that he has an alignment inherent requirement to post when he'd rather not so it makes him angry when you shirk your game-commitment requirement to post when you'd rather not
pedit: i was @ emps

[Luca Blight]

btw it's worth pointing out that the way Iconeum referred to the slot in general seems to leak Iconeum suggested Alduskkel for PR and Alduskkel was shot over emps or Luca

Can you link the posts you're talking about here?

[popsofctown]

I get your point about Icon and can feel myself being slowly talked round to suspecting him, but it isn't that strong and I still feel you're more likely to flip scum than he is.

Icon's play resembles what I'd expect from previous experience with him, although he is generally less townie here than in those games. The reason I TR him is due to: Confronting Menalque and defending Wimpy upon entering the thread, pushing Aldu for a claim and then linking Menalque and Aldu as partners following the lack of hammer. These I consider townie thought processes and are consistent from what I'd expect from Town!Icon.

I'm not just going to lynch my stronger TR because he made a few awkward looking posts.

I'm not asking you to vote correctly day 2 Luca you're in the company of several other people not looking to play day 2 correctly
I'm asking you to tell me if you had a gun with 2 shots he'd be the second shot and if not engage with me now over it instead of posting for me to read in the dead pt tomorrow "i'm looking into him now"

because then he's be doing his snake charmer shit and i won't be here to yell out how fake he's being
because god knows how you reacted to his fake questioning make me lack confidence in your ability to sort him on your own

and don't take on your own as too much of an insult
because it's more like "you + hypnotic evil dratini snake"

[popsofctown]

btw it's worth pointing out that the way Iconeum referred to the slot in general seems to leak Iconeum suggested Alduskkel for PR and Alduskkel was shot over emps or Luca

Can you link the posts you're talking about here?

It's not a specific post, just his body of work.

I don't know, maybe if I look back there's specific posts.

[Luca Blight]

There are reasons why I'd like to leave Icon until Tomorrow. I don't know for sure he's Town, but right now I think he is.

I'm willing to consider Alim if you want to talk about that slot instead.

[popsofctown]

drunkpops believes his pushing is too aimless for him to be scum.

The way he has played today has been ugly in ways I've already commented on, though.

He's kind of similar to emps in not having accomplished anything all game.

But with emps I am willing to just blindsheep him for a second time since I misread him really bad last time I played with him.

[alimdia]

Well she put datisi as most town while simulatenously shading her a bit

Says luca is 2nd most town for .. not much reasons

Her reasons for putting me as 3rd most town should have really put me at the top of her 'town reads' tbh.
Like just compare reasons for me vs Luca.

Aldu died, she have be WIFOMing us by including that slot

Has Wicker has 5th ost town while having decent reasons for wicked as town....

Doesn't mention emps at all

I think she's prob scum but its very hard to read people this game.

Pops ignoring my comments on her wall being conflicting.

also, luca and wicked have been posting less then me

you really have it out for me lmao

Are you really trying to say you have contributed more than Luca? Even wicked contributed more tbf..

It's amazing how you have more posts than me yet contributed nothing day 1.

[Luca Blight]

‘Aimless’ is exactly what I’d expect from newbscum tbh.

The only other player I’d consider lynching today is Wicked.

[popsofctown]

Well she put datisi as most town while simulatenously shading her a bit

Says luca is 2nd most town for .. not much reasons

Her reasons for putting me as 3rd most town should have really put me at the top of her 'town reads' tbh.
Like just compare reasons for me vs Luca.

Aldu died, she have be WIFOMing us by including that slot

Has Wicker has 5th ost town while having decent reasons for wicked as town....

Doesn't mention emps at all

I think she's prob scum but its very hard to read people this game.

Pops ignoring my comments on her wall being conflicting.

I assumed I said "datisi is town but I wish she'd revert her avatar" or something equally silly. But now I look back and I didn't shade her at all, so what the heck are you talking about? I wish she'd read my slot correctly this game, I might have voiced some kind of frustration for that at some point(?) but mafia's a hard game, it wouldn't be shade, just, aww shucks.

[popsofctown]

I'm not going to say I blacked out
But I am going to say I have to read the rest of my post to figure out about wicked too, I don't remember

[popsofctown]

it looks like I noted inside the post I noticed that my own reasoning wasn't matching my reads perfectly, then I change my position to "5th at least" which theoretically ranges as high as 1st

That happened in real time
Why is it scum indicative? Does town!pops have her ranking set in stone and scum!pops doesn't, and empslessly so?
I'm not even sure you're genuinely concerned, I think you're taking potshots that sound like scumhunting.

[popsofctown]

‘Aimless’ is exactly what I’d expect from newbscum tbh.

The only other player I’d consider lynching today is Wicked.

I don't think Wicked is scum.
I wish he didn't have 5% as many posts as Datisi, more information would be great.
His positioning this game so far doesn't really put him as scum.

[popsofctown]

Datisi do you actually still like a pops+wicked team the way Menalque posited?
Did wicked accept an accidental avatar suggestion from his scumpartner during when nightkill deliberations was when his scumpartner was on the chopping block and high profile?
I agree it's wifom so there's only so much that can be said about it.
No-wifom tho:
that means you ship us a power couple
can you please pick us a cute couple name

[Luca Blight]

‘Aimless’ is exactly what I’d expect from newbscum tbh.

The only other player I’d consider lynching today is Wicked.

I don't think Wicked is scum.
I wish he didn't have 5% as many posts as Datisi, more information would be great.

His positioning this game so far doesn't really put him as scum

.

Can you elaborate on this, please?

[popsofctown]

Wickedestjr

- 3 (

Iconeum

, Datisi, Luca Blight)[/color]

Not Voting

- 2 (Alduskkel, alimdia)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-18 23:00:00)[/area]

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He did not play in such a way as to shorten this day phase, coming into today townreading my slot more than scumreading extends this day phase. It's going to make people hesitate more than they otherwise would, even if he hasn't actively converted anybody. Scum!jester seems most likely onwagon, agreeing that there seems to be distance between my stance on reading Menalque slowly and my hammer isn't inconsistent with any of his past posts. But even a scum!jester that wants to stay offwagon to look beautiful would post a less substantial nullread about me today, then discuss some slot that's less relevant for make-content, keeping my lynch clockworky. Whoever left Datisi alive wanted my lynch clockworky and expected, I don't think the Alduskkel kill can be 100% PR hunting from the claim stuff. Backup tracker makes it make a lot of damn sense in terms of how he was hiding a disproportionate amount of information compared to the risk of getting hammered before claiming, but scum didn't know that until after Plum flipped him this morning.

[Iconeum]

I don't hunt preflip assocs. I'm trying out the notion for the first time today, because for the first time in memorable history I'm looking at 5p LyLo. But it's not my style, I like to find independently scummy people. Going into day2 Iconeum and wickedjestr were the two scummiest people. So when Datisi says "can you scumcase Iconeum over wicked for me" I'm kind of like meh they could both be right.

Looking at the associations yesterday, though, a wicked/Iconeum team indeed doesn't look great. Wicked was really poorly positioned when he made the case on Menalque, and Iconeum jumped onboard with it as a right hand man, when Iconeum was doing pretty well at that time. It's very high risk if the Menalque mislynch is successful and later becomes perceived as scum motivated, because it contaminated Iconeum alongside wicked's weak slot, when wicked's positioning at that time would counsel for discarding wicked and getting Iconeum a solo win. It's not even necessary to be on the Menalque wagon for wicked to recover on his own in that scenario, it's defensible to say "I don't think it's Menalque but I think wicked's thought process was townie". Indeed, I made my own variant of that statement, not wanting to lynch (cough or out the role of) Menalque until later in spite of the post improving my opinion of wicked.


I want to point out that Iconeum is not even a caricature of town motivated questioning right now, though. Why does town!Iconeum give a rat's tail about my thought process for a Iconeum/wicked team. town!Iconeum ostensibly thinks I'm 85%+ to flip red given that he hasn't suggested today should be a serious discussion on whether to lynch me. Therefore when I flip red, there's only one mafia left, and Iconeum and wicked can only be scum together if Plum is also scum.
Does he want to hear my thought process so he can defeat it? like, why? why does he

care

?
Datisi asking why I left out emps was a town motivated question, a red-carded player could have trouble answering that question in a way that doesn't give away whether emps is or isn't a partner.
WHY IS ICONEUM DISMISSING THE IDEA OF NOT LYNCHING ME TODAY, BUT ALSO ASKING ME QUESTIONS THAT ARE IRRELEVANT IF I'M MAFIA?

Who's acting in bad faith here huh? Did you notice i'm not voting for you? I still want your reasons for putting wicked in a scumteam with me when you did it. You can talk all about how you think wicked/ico does NOT make sense now, but you made a clear and cut case that you DID think so earlier.
Why do I care so much about that? Because I wanna try and win this game. I don't know who your partner is. Hell, I don't even know ur scum.

The reason I talked to Datisi about how easy your wagon seems to be going is extremely relevant.

well you were the one who brought up on D1 that a lynch felt like it was too easy for you

what do you think here?

this is the scummiest post in the game thread

why tho? Datisi protested yesterday about how easy a wagon seemed to be going (while it actually wasn't), and it looks like we have the same thing here yet she is fine with it? I wanted to know her thoughts on this. Can you tell me what's scummy about this post?

‘Aimless’ is exactly what I’d expect from newbscum tbh.

The only other player I’d consider lynching today is Wicked.

I don't think Wicked is scum.
I wish he didn't have 5% as many posts as Datisi, more information would be great.
His positioning this game so far doesn't really put him as scum.

You literally just turned your read on Wicked 180° around when you took a lot of heat and were being questioned on explaining the wicked read.

VOTE: pops

[Luca Blight]

@Pops:

Some of your recent stuff is making me feel a little better about you. The problem is that I don't have any other strong SR's, and information-wise your lynch makes the most sense today.

I'm considering lynching Alim instead (I agree with you recent points against him), but I consider his alignment to be the toss of a coin atm. It could go either way, and if it's Town then I'm not sure what we gain from it particularly.

[Iconeum]

i strongly advise not pushing alim today

[popsofctown]

I don't hunt preflip assocs. I'm trying out the notion for the first time today, because for the first time in memorable history I'm looking at 5p LyLo. But it's not my style, I like to find independently scummy people. Going into day2 Iconeum and wickedjestr were the two scummiest people. So when Datisi says "can you scumcase Iconeum over wicked for me" I'm kind of like meh they could both be right.

pops goes today yes

who's opposed to pops lynch and why?

Wicked’s on the fence about it and emps hasn’t checked in yet.

Apart from that, nobody.

huh

Why huh?

well you were the one who brought up on D1 that a lynch felt like it was too easy for you

what do you think here?

This is so terribad.

"pops is definitely the lynch today."
"is anyone not for her lynch?"
Datisi: one person is ambivalent, one play hasn't posted yet and if you're even remotely familiar with that player who is emps you know he won't be more favorable towards pops than ambivalence.
"Oh wow omg. remember yesterday when we were talking about a lynch being too easy. And that was in a totally different context regarding the day 1 lynch where blocking is strong and there was not a large group of town motivated strong negative impressions on the slot? Remember that, the same thing applies here maybe? Right? I want to discuss this idea with people.
"everyone: meh"
"oh i'm not worried about it at all again. pops who's your partner"

like it's unreal

this is not town!iconeum

i gtg movie

The first one I've already covered.

The second one I maybe did not develop my idea as much I wanted to/remember because of Princess Mononoke, the film was excellent thank you for asking.

The circumstances for my lynch are apples and oranges different between yesterday and today as I tried to make clear with the paraphrase.
scum!Iconeum has an incentive to look balanced or fairminded but is asking a question that is such a terrible Devil's advocate point it's not actually plausibly a thing he's concerned about.
I guess now he is trying to frame it as a question he was using to sort Datisi?
She has 9999 posts dude, "let me take a moment to sort Datisi" is like a scumclaim anyway at this point. From a totally different angle.
Still not goodfaithy from you in pretendworld where you are worried about Datisi's alignment.
Since the reason Datisi would be concerned about a lynch she medium believes in being too easy and not be concerned about a lynch she mega believes in not being too easy, like the answer is in the question.
It's just parroting a line that would make sense in a game that isn't this one to look townie.