Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[Luca Blight]

Town: Skitter, SS,
Lean Town: Suji, Xayah, Frost, Kerset
Null-Town: Wooper
Null-scum: Flubs
Scum-lean: PM, Fetchd
Scum: Nom

That’s roughly where I’m at right now

P similar to mine, except for your leantown tier, i feel like those are all the people i'm still sorting

If i had to slot them, kerset is leantown,

frost is ~nullscum

, xayah is somewhere between nullscum and nulltown, and suji is ~nullscum too

You're obvtown and i would put ss down a level too

Explain this?

[Luca Blight]

Looking at your ISO from the start of D2, Skitter, you don't really push the Frost lynch anymore but there's nothing that would suggest you had a 'no gun' result on him.

You left no crumb and it's far from obvious given your comments about Frost on D2.

[skitter30]

gunsmith innos in this game aren't really hard innos; at that point i was still kinda scum-reading him on play but wasn't particularly interested in pushing him given the result, so he ended up ~nullscum

given the cop claim he's p much clear now tho

[Luca Blight]

i feel like it would have been obvious after i flipped given how i dropped the aaron read like a hot potato

gunsmith innos in this game aren't really hard innos; at that point i was still kinda scum-reading him on play but wasn't particularly interested in pushing him given the result, so he ended up ~nullscum

given the cop claim he's p much clear now tho

These two explanations are not compatible.

[Sirfetchd]

Spicy stuff.

@duck, I would take commuter as well. I have similar reasoning for my choice which we will come to.
@kerset: Where's the claim of use of ability or not?
@skit/Luca: does this fit with skit being semi day cleared for billy interactions? It seems weird, but I know I say I read people a certain way as both alignments and lie out my arse at the same time to avoid questions, so eh idk. I still think that post mass claim we all Lynch Flub anyway so we can scrutinise third scum tomorrow.

[Sirfetchd]

I would have liked resistance to me and ducky picking Aaron apart earlier today tho.

[skitter30]

These two explanations are not compatible.

i was referring to why i put him as ~nullscum there in particular

holistically i felt like the fact i dropped the read would make it obviosu in hindsight

[Sirfetchd]

I feel like despite skit being 'wrong'. I don't see a reason for her to lie here. Keen for why there's no result seeing as SS isn't commuter. That bit is weird bc I didn't target skit.

[Sirfetchd]

I really want to know why Kerset is holding information despite already being called out for it. HMMMMMM

[Sirfetchd]

If flub is town which is really really small chance, skit makes sense then.

Skit Aaron makes sense, but again only if flub flips town which is unlikely.

[Luca Blight]

These two explanations are not compatible.

i was referring to why i put him as ~nullscum there in particular

holistically i felt like the fact i dropped the read would make it obviosu in hindsight

'

There in particular

' was D2, after your result, and the very point I'd look back to see any 'crumb' you might have left behind. You may have not pushed Frost as much, but it is in no way obvious, looking back, that you had that result on him.

I realise 'no gun' isn't a hard inno, but considering the only way he could be scum in such a scenario is if he picked Doctor (and roleblocker is a better scum role imo) you should have at least accepted my Frost Town-lean rather than going out of your way to disagree with it. It doesn't make sense.

[Luca Blight]

SS, where's your claim? Let's keep this moving.

[skitter30]

These two explanations are not compatible.

i was referring to why i put him as ~nullscum there in particular

holistically i felt like the fact i dropped the read would make it obviosu in hindsight

'

There in particular

' was D2, after your result, and the very point I'd look back to see any 'crumb' you might have left behind.

You may have not pushed Frost as much, but it is in no way obvious, looking back, that you had that result on him.

I realise 'no gun' isn't a hard inno, but considering the only way he could be scum in such a scenario is if he picked Doctor (and roleblocker is a better scum role imo) you should have at least accepted my Frost Town-lean rather than going out of your way to disagree with it. It doesn't make sense.

i disagree, but ok
again, there i was referring to his play which i was decidedly not townreading

[Sirfetchd]

I'm guessing SS's claim pertains to the no-result from skit.

I am just gonna go. I am JK, I jailed Ducky n1 and FLUNUGGETS n2.

I picked perfvig for slot 2. Wanted to hero the game. Took jk bc doc feels strong in this setup. JK'd woops bc was unsure but also he is kill target before he was 'in' the game. jk'd flub n2 because I was worried he is scum pr like n2 vig bc he wasn't cop or jk.

So we Lynch flub bc I am like 85% sure I blocked the kill and his claim is kill enabling AF.

Vote: Flub

SS can claim whenevs.

[Luca Blight]

These two explanations are not compatible.

i was referring to why i put him as ~nullscum there in particular

holistically i felt like the fact i dropped the read would make it obviosu in hindsight

'

There in particular

' was D2, after your result, and the very point I'd look back to see any 'crumb' you might have left behind.

You may have not pushed Frost as much, but it is in no way obvious, looking back, that you had that result on him.

I realise 'no gun' isn't a hard inno, but considering the only way he could be scum in such a scenario is if he picked Doctor (and roleblocker is a better scum role imo) you should have at least accepted my Frost Town-lean rather than going out of your way to disagree with it. It doesn't make sense.

i disagree, but ok
again, there i was referring to his play which i was decidedly not townreading

It's irrelevant how you're reading his play when you'd just received a 'no gun' result which almost clears him, and you'd want people to know your result in case you're NK.

There's something disingenuous about all of this.

[Something_Smart]

Sorry, was setting up my game I just remembered I had to set up tonight.

I can't get gold and give you silver...

I am not a

Governor...

Spoiler:

but I can get silver.

but I am a

Jack of all Trades.

Spoiler:

...which I annoyingly can't find an image for that will load. Check here if you don't believe me.

N1:

Yo dawg, I heard you like...

cops, so I copped your cop, so you can find out rb is town while you find out rb is town! (Incidentally, this is why I was so salty on D2.)

N2:

going to work...

How do you think I get to work? I

commute

, of course!

In summary: I'm JOAT.
N1 cop rb (town, duh).
N2 commute.

[Something_Smart]

By the way, mafia doctor doesn't show up as having no gun. Again, read the role PM's...

[Sirfetchd]

Regardless, we have no kill and a sweet block on flub.

[Something_Smart]

We know he didn't arm N2, at least.

[Sirfetchd]

Unless someone wants to argue Xayah was scum kill ofc. but I think we all decided that was just duck's vig and not a double shot.

[skitter30]

By the way, mafia doctor doesn't show up as having no gun. Again, read the role PM's...

i kinda just assumed it was a normal gunsmith ...

ok so sirfetched blocked flub and you commuted
i think that the only ways the nk could have gone missing is if either flub did the nk or scum targeted you, is that right?

or am i missing something?

pedit or i guess nominally that xayah was the nk ... but i dont' think that's likely at all whatsoever

[Something_Smart]

Or if Flubber was the target.

[skitter30]

right
but i don't think that's a super likely option

[Something_Smart]

Well, here's the million dollar question then.

Do you think scum would have killed me last night?

[skitter30]

conditional commuter is an active ability, right?
i.e. kerset had to have chosen to commuted and it doesn't just happen automatically each night?

and they didn't commute last night