Perfect Masquerade [Game Over]

Lady 5 · Post Post #4125 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:59 am

So you agree with me that G1/L2 should be the endgame pairing?

Lady 2 · Post Post #4126 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:36 am

Excellent

L7 you were a true gift this game

Most important thing to do here is reread G7, which I'll do in the next couple of hours

Lady 5 · Post Post #4127 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:46 am

In post 3896, Gentleman 7 wrote:
In post 3880, Gentleman 3 wrote:G8/L5 has even more strikes against it than it did before, and it already had too many
G2/L9 probably would have died had L9 been town and L9 has not been impressive anyway
G1/L2 definitely can't live.

G7/L7 is the only other pair I would consider letting live, and they should probably be the other final pair apart from us.
I agree with this quite a bit, and the only thing that would change my mind on this is if L5/G8 flips T/T.
VOTE: Lady 5

I'm kind of getting a bit paranoid of L7 myself, but I'm not sure if this is something that could come from scum to have her flip between scumreading me and then taking it back soon after. I firmly believe G3 is town, L5 is actually probably town but I think that pair shouldn't stick around until the end and out of the remaining people, they should probably go first.

G1/L2 should go as well, but I feel more confident that they will flip T/S in some way, while this might flip T/T, and is going to be more impactful on the game if that happens.

L2, what do you think of this post in particular?

Lady 2 · Post Post #4128 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:04 am

It fits my paranoia bias that L5/G8 is T-T. Still reading.

Looking back, G7 did push the G8 scum -> L2 scum thing during first dance while hard pushing L5/G8 as first lynch. That does largely rule out G8/G1 as remaining scum team here. If G8 is in fact scum, G7 does not really want to lynch G8 and have him flip scum for the privilege of being able to lynch me and get G1-scum flipped in the bargain.

Okay need to head out, more later.

Lady 5 · Post Post #4129 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:09 am

I'll just point this out now.

Isn't it quite strange that flipped scum was so willing to put this pairing so close to a lynch when our pairing and G1/L2 were on the chopping block for the next lynches, yet L6 suddenly comes out aggressively once it starts being a possibility that those same two pairings might be the final two?

Lady 6 · Post Post #4130 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:40 am

In post 4129, Lady 5 wrote:I'll just point this out now.

Isn't it quite strange that flipped scum was so willing to put this pairing so close to a lynch when our pairing and G1/L2 were on the chopping block for the next lynches, yet L6 suddenly comes out aggressively once it starts being a possibility that those same two pairings might be the final two?

I've been pushing G1 and G8 since predance.

Lady 6 · Post Post #4131 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:43 am

In post 4128, Lady 2 wrote:It fits my paranoia bias that L5/G8 is T-T. Still reading.

Looking back, G7 did push the G8 scum -> L2 scum thing during first dance while hard pushing L5/G8 as first lynch. That does largely rule out G8/G1 as remaining scum team here. If G8 is in fact scum, G7 does not really want to lynch G8 and have him flip scum for the privilege of being able to lynch me and get G1-scum flipped in the bargain.

Okay need to head out, more later.

You and I are reading different threads and I quoted several of G8's posts that oppose that.

Lady 6 · Post Post #4132 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:44 am

In post 4125, Lady 5 wrote:So you agree with me that G1/L2 should be the endgame pairing?

Hell no. G2 and L9 should be. G3 and I as backups.

Gentleman 3 · Post Post #4133 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:52 am

I'm reasonably confident there's exactly one scum in {G8, L5, L6} unfortunately I'm now considering the possibility that it's L6 which kinda wrecks every solid plan I had because I still want L9 dead but I can't say I trust G1/L2 as an endgame pairing.

Gentleman 3 · Post Post #4134 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:53 am

Like if L6 and I are both town then G8 and L5 both replacing in and going hard on us for no reason is, like, absurdly sketchy... but if L6 is scum, then it seems kinda dumb for them to do that.

Gentleman 3 · Post Post #4135 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:54 am

L6 how confident are you that L9 is town?

Gentleman 3 · Post Post #4136 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:55 am

If it's very confident, we can do flip us -> G2/L9 endgame if T/T, G8/L5 endgame if T/S.

Gentleman 3 · Post Post #4137 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:56 am

I just really have a hard time believing that scum would leave an IC/T pair alive if the IC wasn't literally planning to leave asap. Especially since it's not like they killed an obvtown pair either.

Yeah I'm kinda talking myself into L6/L9 scumteam ngl

Gentleman 3 · Post Post #4138 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:58 am

I wanna jam with L9 and G1, I haven't interacted with either of them hardly at all and I think sorting them is the key here.

Gentleman 3 · Post Post #4139 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:00 am

For the record being 6:2 feels a lot more manageable than 7:3 in case anyone was wondering why I'm reevaluating so abruptly. I didn't think it would feel different but it does, having that redflip really changes a lot. Well done L7

Gentleman 3 · Post Post #4140 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:03 am

In post 1531, Gentleman 7 wrote:^Indeed. Gentleman 8, could you like...tell me an opinion of yours? Any opinion will help at this point.

Hmm. SvS?

Lady 5 · Post Post #4141 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:05 am

In post 3923, Lady 6 wrote:We are in a really difficult situation. L5 creeps me out. Despite being a confirmed replacement, the tone is eerily similar. I really detest the fact both G6 and G5 died. I really don't like leading early but I feel compelled to take charge here.

Lady 7, I know you didn't like how I phrased things. There's not much I can do on that. The only thing that can be done is continuing to scumhunt. The feeling on you is mutual, but I think you're likely town. If I knew your main, I could assess much easier if the collective was correct on you.

L6, why post this then?

Gentleman 3 · Post Post #4142 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:06 am

In post 2998, Gentleman 7 wrote:Okay, so the next little bit is pretty much the same thing.

Can we lynch G8/L5 first?
1. They're both pretty scummy and I feel fairly confident at least 1 will flip scum (probably not both, though).
2. They're going to be lynched anyways and we might as well do it now. I'd rather have more information from that lynch first.
3. This will give me time to read and try to make an informed opinion that lets me sort through the noise a bit better?
4. This lets other people in thread cool their heads.

VOTE: Gentleman 8

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Gentleman 3 · Post Post #4143 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:07 am

In post 3439, Gentleman 7 wrote:As for G3, I didn't really like a couple of his recent posts but I don't think that he's scum.

Goddammit I paired with scum didn't I.

Gentleman 3 · Post Post #4144 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:09 am

Idk the simplest explanation for G7's bullshit townread on me is that there's a scum in my pair.

Lady 5 · Post Post #4145 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:20 am

Thank you for confirming to me that you aren't a double scum pair, G3.

I'd like to note that he hard sheeped your proposal when it would end with his and your pairings.

Lady 2 · Post Post #4146 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:43 am

In post 4099, Lady 5 wrote:I'm very disappointed that you all pushed Lady 7 to leave the dance.

??

In post 4102, Lady 5 wrote:Lady 9 looks terrible after this Lady 7 push.

Only question is does scum!L9 pressure L7 to leave last night if G7 is her partner? I would have thought G7 had some scum equity left in him, which would be motivation to not antagonize her in that way, but I don't know. To be honest I was a little surprised that L7 left when she did, I thought she'd give it a few more hours and then like she said we'd duke it out. Maybe scum!L9 hopes I leave instead?

Eh, I'm WIFOMing myself to death. The G7 reread will help more with L9, at least I hope it does (well, if it doesn't help the current stuff doesn't get more readable on its own).

In post 4116, Gentleman 1 wrote:
In post 4114, Gentleman 2 wrote:
In post 4094, Lady 9 wrote:Gentleman 1 - Lady 2 [3] - Lady 7, Lady 5, Gentleman 7
G7 voting here seems to soft clear it a bit, no?
I think if we are looking to soft clear anyone based on G7’s voting patterns the G8/L5 pair is a better option. G7 subtly brought that pair to L-1, which I noticed and decided to remove my vote because of. Had I not noticed that there was a definite chance that pair could have been lynched rather unceremoniously.

G1 making good points tho?

In post 4121, Lady 6 wrote:
In post 4045, Gentleman 7 wrote:L5 Town. This is also because of finding out the original player's identity, which I feel a bit dirty about, but while her opinions had been bad, I think they had been honest and consistent with this player's meta.
G8 ??? I don't think anything at this stage can convince me one way or another and I don't really want to have the game hinge on a coin toss on if he's town or scum.
Oh more G8 should live but not town. G8 says L9 should be the last scum to die too.

G7 wanted g2 and l9 paranoia to the end.

If G7 got the two lynches he was pushing, L5/G8 and G1/L2, he might have won then and there for all I can see right now.

In post 4131, Lady 6 wrote:
In post 4128, Lady 2 wrote:It fits my paranoia bias that L5/G8 is T-T. Still reading.

Looking back, G7 did push the G8 scum -> L2 scum thing during first dance while hard pushing L5/G8 as first lynch. That does largely rule out G8/G1 as remaining scum team here. If G8 is in fact scum, G7 does not really want to lynch G8 and have him flip scum for the privilege of being able to lynch me and get G1-scum flipped in the bargain.

Okay need to head out, more later.
You and I are reading different threads and I quoted several of G8's posts that oppose that.

You're wrong and probably scum. There was plenty of willingness for lynches on both L5/G8 and G1/L2 during First Dance, and multiple players including I think G4 considering that G8 flipping scum increased the chances of my being scum. G7 probably took a stronger stance on that hypothetical link than anyone. If L5/G8 go down and flip scum, realistically G1/L2 get lynched partly because of support for the possibility that I'm scum. So would G7 push L5/G8 scum for the privilege of lynching his buddy based on pushing a false scumread on his buddy's partner? Unless you think he's extreme hard bussing both his buddies, one indirectly, for limited payoff, during First Dance, G8 and G1 are not scum together. They're just not.

In post 4132, Lady 6 wrote:
In post 4125, Lady 5 wrote:So you agree with me that G1/L2 should be the endgame pairing?
Hell no. G2 and L9 should be. G3 and I as backups.

????

I'm sorry G7 flips scum and it does nothing for your reads??? Not that you posted anything about G7 before he flipped so

And almost nothing to L7 except treating her as likely Town for a good chunk of the game

?

Like maybe she would be inclined to see the partner of her scum teammate, just hands off this whole thing

I mean

very conciliatory towards L7 this phase as well like

In post 3923, Lady 6 wrote:Lady 7, I know you didn't like how I phrased things. There's not much I can do on that. The only thing that can be done is continuing to scumhunt. The feeling on you is mutual, but I think you're likely town. If I knew your main, I could assess much easier if the collective was correct on you.

That's really one of the biggest interactions L6 has with either L7 or G7 so

In post 4145, Lady 5 wrote:Thank you for confirming to me that you aren't a double scum pair, G3.

I'd like to note that he hard sheeped your proposal when it would end with his and your pairings.

yeah

Lady 6 · Post Post #4147 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:13 am

My goodness. This game is fucking over.

Town can't see G7 was bussing. G8 had the scummiest picks.

L5 is replaced and follows the same script.
G8 still does nothing.

Holy fuck.

Lady 6 · Post Post #4148 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:14 am

In post 4135, Gentleman 3 wrote:L6 how confident are you that L9 is town?

95%

G1 and G8 pairings have both scum. I'd bet my life on it.

Lady 6 · Post Post #4149 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:16 am

In post 4146, Lady 2 wrote:I'm sorry G7 flips scum and it does nothing for your reads??? Not that you posted anything about G7 before he flipped so

And almost nothing to L7 except treating her as likely Town for a good chunk of the game

Correct. I've always been adamant that G1 and G8 were scum and the last slot was ???.

I might just leave the dance if we won't lynch either of those pairs because there's a theoretical chance of listening when I'm dead.