Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[Luca Blight]

if it's luca/emps then they decided 1 claims a pr that fits, and the other something powerfull

luca hard busses the claimed doc, gets all the credit, coasts to 3p lylo and wins the game from there

it's not impossible but why doc over tracker

i mean it's such an unlikely claim that i have a hard time believing it comes from scum

But my claim didn’t fit until AFTER we discovered there as no Tracker.

[Luca Blight]

there's a couple good posts in Luca ISO where he is warming up to a scumread on me

combined with how he had emps very low on his readlist during most of the game but when i talked about emps being a bad lynch he agreed there

not enough time right now to fully case this but it's there and i can do it after the weekend

Is there any reason why I should not have doubted you at all?

I refused to push you D2 because I thought you were the Tracker.

[Luca Blight]

Yes I was informed Aldu was the town back up Tracker.

that gives town 2 confirmed towns on D2 with a little luck

wtf

As I said earlier, potentially stronger than masons.

[Datisi]

I claimed one minute after Icon did - do you really think I’d have done that if I were weighing up two different fake claims?

I mean.

"If Icon = Tracker then CC, else claim Informed"

does not take up that much time.

But my claim didn’t fit until AFTER we discovered there as no Tracker.

If I had claimed Tracker, would your claim not fit then?

Because once you saw Icon claim VT, you were pretty certain that the scumteam was Icon/emps, meaning you (1) believed I was Tracker and (2) believed the setup of BU Tracker + Tracker + Informed + FN fits.

As I said earlier, potentially stronger than masons.

Masons also give 2 conftowns Day 2. They can also communicate.

[Luca Blight]

Luca/emps. They're undecided between Icon and alimdia being the Tracker. They bet on alimdia, they miss.

Luca's ready to cc Icon's Tracker claim. Icon claims VT. ohshit.jpg Dat's the Tracker plan B claim some informed shit.

Dats claims VT.

Pedit: i mean from both our povs scum don't both claim VT

Looking at this again, this just seems ridiculous.

1. You and Icon are the ones who have protected emps all game based on nothing, yet I’m most likely to be his partner?

2. Icon is the one who thought Alim was a PR, not me.

3. I’m apparently dumbfounded by Icon’s VT claim that a minute later, having weighed up two fake claims, I claim something that makes perfect sense in the setup only after no-one has claimed Tracker? What are the chances of that happening?

[Datisi]

Wait, so no-one is claiming Tracker?

that makes sense if you are Informed town

Actually yeah, Icon said it here
It makes sense if Luca is Informed that I'm VT
since BUTrack + Track + Informed + FN is wtf

Hmmm.

pedit: luca i just don't wanna lynch the dragon boi okay
lemme work this out

[Luca Blight]

@Datisi - it fits better without Tracker, as it justifies the inclusion of the otherwise useless backup Tracker.

[Datisi]

Yeah, had I claimed Tracker there still would've been too many PR's. Okay back to square one I guess.
pedit: yes I get that, hold on

[Datisi]

Why were you expecting me to claim Tracker then? If you were Informed, didn't you think that that would've been too many PR's?

[Luca Blight]

Tbh at this point I’m almost willing to accept you’re Town and that the scum team is Icon/emps. If you’d claimed Tracker as scum you’d have won anyway.

[Datisi]

Luca don't do this to me

[Datisi]

2. Icon is the one who thought Alim was a PR, not me.

and you're 100% right with this I was mixing up posts

[Luca Blight]

Why were you expecting me to claim Tracker then? If you were Informed, didn't you think that that would've been too many PR's?

I knew emps was lying. I still expected you to be Tracker because for a moment I couldn’t understand why there would be a backup for a role that doesn’t exist.

[Luca Blight]

Also, from my D2 posts of ‘leave Icon alive until tomorrow’, when he was being pushed by Pops, you can see I thought he was Tracker.

And yes it’s possible I could have had it all planned etc with the fake claiming, but that’s a quick response for such a decision. I’m really not so good a scum player that I could make on the spot fake claims like that.

[Luca Blight]

There are reasons why I'd like to leave Icon until Tomorrow.

I don't know for sure he's Town, but right now I think he is.

I'm willing to consider Alim if you want to talk about that slot instead.

I really believed he was the Tracker; that’s why I wouldn’t push him D2.

[Datisi]

Why did that post make Icon think you're the Tracker again?

[Luca Blight]

I don’t know why.

I think he thought me or Alim could be Tracker and Alim was his bet. There’s nothing about that post that suggests I’m a Tracker over any other PR.

[Luca Blight]

And as I said earlier, the ‘I’m not sure Icon is town’ was a slight crumb of my role in case I ate the NK and people thought Icon was confTown.

[Datisi]

Yeah yeah I know. Sorry i literally haven't slept for 30 hours at this point I'll probably pass out within the next 2-3h then revisit all of this

I'm even more confused now than at he start of Day somehow

[Wickedestjr]

This is an interesting situation. I’m caught up right now and I’ll start figuring this out when I get home in four or five hours.

[Luca Blight]

There is confirmed one scum in me and emps, and confirmed one scum in Icon Datisi.

Me and emps cannot be partners, because for that to happen the game would only contain: friendly neighbour and a useless back-up Tracker. Not only useless but actually detrimental to town, as there would be nothing to back up his claim. This situation is impossible: me and emps are therefore not partners, but one of us is scum, because otherwise Town is too powerful.

It’s also basically confirmed me and Datisi are not partners as well, given we were both last to claim and neither of us hesitated in claiming or claimed Tracker. So the only slight possibility of me being scum here is if I’m scum with Icon, but there still stands the point that Aldu’s power is anti-Town without my PR.

[Wickedestjr]

I see what you're saying. Not sure if I 100% agree with your conclusion, but I'm mulling it over.

I'm trying to collect my thoughts right now.

[Luca Blight]

What don’t you agree with?

[Wickedestjr]

*thinking*

[Wickedestjr]

Luca, I would like to know more about what was going through your mind yesterday when you thought Ico was a tracker. I picked up quite a bit of heat on day 1 and kinda sparked the Menalque mis-lynch. Why would Ico-tracker think that I'd be the one performing a kill night 1? And why would he completely flip his read on me just by virtue of me not having visited Aldu?

actually, why is datisi alive here

To gives credit to emps' claim?

That seems the most likely scenario atm.

Run this by me again?
And why not emps-Datisi scum?

What don’t you agree with?

I agree that you/emps aren't scum together; I would be extremely shocked if that were the case, for a number of reasons.

I don't necessarily disagree with anything else that you said.

Your logic makes perfect sense but it paints a picture that doesn't make sense. There isn't a scum team that makes perfect sense to me right now. If you are scum, then that means Aldu's role is 100% meaningless and he's just a red herring. HOWEVER, it feels weird for me to call someone town purely because their role gives purpose to another role.

If we approached this under the assumption that every role should have a purpose, then that would make you, Aldu, and me all confirmable players in this setup. Three confirmable players versus a two person scum team. I don't know how powerful the scum are but it does make it hard to believe that you and emps are both town.