Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[Wickedestjr]

This setup is so weird. I can feel my brain melting from confusion.

[Luca Blight]

Working atm, will answer in a bit.

[Wickedestjr]

If you're asking me to town!lock you or scum!lock you here, I cannot do that.

However, pops and Wicked go before you I think, barring shenanigans.

Also I picked up on ~something~.

And I'm willing to trust my gut /again/ for now. So I'm gonna say you're Town.

And sure. Could've said that right away to save me the quoting troubles.

Datisi, what was this all about?

[Wickedestjr]

I'll admit: it's pretty crazy how quickly you and Datisi claimed. I don't think either of you could have possibly taken the time to evaluate based on Ico's claim.

I think if either of you are scum, then you were very prepared for that claim.

[Wickedestjr]

Working atm, will answer in a bit.

No worries; respond when you can.

I'm just going to continue talking out loud.

[Wickedestjr]

I'm considering the possibility that Luca is an Informed Mafia Goon. Perhaps he is telling the truth about everything except for his alignment. From a setup standpoint, it would explain a lot:

• It gives purpose to Aldu's role.
  
• Aldu's role serves as a weird distraction for both town and scum, so it's fair.
  
• Scum are informed about a town-aligned power role, but it's a weak power role and they only find out on day 2 so it's not a mega game changer for them.
  
• The setup wouldn't have three confirmable players. It could conceivably just be a FN, named townie, and doctor which doesn't seem over powered.
  
• It explains how Luca-scum could claim so quickly.

Nobody's mentioned it yet, but the Aldu kill also slightly implicates Luca because Aldu was voting him.

[Wickedestjr]

emps confuses me.

Days 1-2 I felt like he looked townish. He seemed pretty relaxed and un-pressured to actually produce content.

Then he hammered. The hammer really confused me. I had just requested an un-vote, brought up more points against pops, and expressed that I was considering joining the pops wagon. So it seems like a slightly unnecessary move for emps-scum to make BUT I also find it very hard to believe that he didn't realize his vote was the hammer.

At first I thought emps' breadcrumb was legit because he didn't strike me as someone who was engaged enough in the game to actually plan that as scum. But the fact that his breadcrumb is literally the exact same thing that he said in another game (that Datisi was in) where he was mistaken as doc makes this a really terrible breadcrumb. It's just another item for this game's catastrophe-highlight reel if he is telling the truth.

[Wickedestjr]

I might need a couple days to make this decision. More tomorrow

[Luca Blight]

@Wicked: Icon’s switch on your slot implied a PR of some sort, and given my role and Aldu’s, I assumed he must be the Tracker. I don’t know why he would flip his read, but it was the likeliest explanation I could think of at the time, hence I wanted Icon alive until D3.

I think Icon/emps is more likely because I TR Datisi more and Icon continues to soft-defend emps while remaining open to his lynch.

And I’d like to think my role claim isn’t the only reason you’d TR me over emps this game.

[Luca Blight]

@wicked: your point about the mafia informed possibility is actually a decent one, I’m not sure how to refute that right now.

You think me and emps aren’t partners, would you agree that me and Datisi aren’t as well?

[Luca Blight]

You mention that the Aldu kill implicates me, but surely the Alim kill implicates not only emps but Icon as well.

Also, given Icon’s reason for reading Alim as a PR, I’m sure he would have read Aldu as a PR after he refused to claim.

Personally I didn’t think there was anything pr indicative about either of them.

[Wickedestjr]

You think me and emps aren’t partners, would you agree that me and Datisi aren’t as well?

Not necessarily. It would make some sense if you two were partners.

I think the two of you would have expected to win this game today with no silly business needed. So if you are an informed mafia goon fakeclaiming as an informed townie, then I think Datisi-scum has more incentive to just claim VT rather than add to the PR count.


And I think alimdia is a kill choice that makes sense for everyone. He was one of the more popular town reads yesterday. The Alduskkel death is more interesting to me. I’ll answer the rest of your post tomorrow, I’m slippin.

[Luca Blight]

I think if me and Datisi were scum we’d at least have paused to consider claiming Tracker.

I disagree about Alim being particularly TR.

[Luca Blight]

And maybe you can tell that I was genuinely confused for a bit after Datisi’s claim.

[Datisi]

If you're asking me to town!lock you or scum!lock you here, I cannot do that.

However, pops and Wicked go before you I think, barring shenanigans.

Also I picked up on ~something~.

And I'm willing to trust my gut /again/ for now. So I'm gonna say you're Town.

And sure. Could've said that right away to save me the quoting troubles.

Datisi, what was this all about?

I kept noticing that Icon was bringing up daytalk a lot, which I thought was odd. ("why can nobody read between the lines?")

I had a tinfoil theory that he was some kinda Town Encryptor enabling Mafia chat. And the last few times I played with him and thought he was crumbing PR I was right, so I thought maybe.

He's now said that it was just because the wording of the rules was weird, which i don't necessarily think so, but dunno if it's really AI.

[Luca Blight]

I thought you’d picked up on the same as me and thought Icon was Tracker.

[Datisi]

I did not actually. I thought his TR of Wicked was completely out of the left field, but I didn't connect that to PR shenanigans.

[Luca Blight]

Datisi, do you agree that me and emps are not partners?

[Datisi]

I'm not yet willing to outright bet the game on that.

Named Townie + FN vs Informed of the Townie... Seems too scumsided I think. I don't know. I've never dealt with Informed roles but I've seen them on both sides. I don't know what to think.

[Datisi]

Hmm. Going over the earlier points, it's not *just* Named. It opens the door to scum fakeclaiming, as we were all expecting a Tracker claim.

Though I'm still not willing to 100% agree that the informed part couldn't be made up. Aldu died N1.

That would however mean that both scum decided to fakeclaim in mass. With emps going first, and confirming Wicked, and then getting bussed by Luca who was taking a gamble on me being or not being Tracker I guess.

It doesn't make sense, but there isn't a team right now that outright makes sense.

[Luca Blight]

At some point we have to rule out the ‘very unlikely’ scenarios, and the setup simply makes no sense if both me and emps share alignment.

It’s important we clarify this point today, so on D4 we also have a confTown to make the ultimate decision. If we lynch emps today and there’s still no ‘conftown’ player among the three final players then it plays into scum’s hands.

[Datisi]

i just don't wanna lynch the dragon boi

[Luca Blight]

And I think the ‘fakeclaiming informed’ idea is something that also needs to be dropped - pretty much everything points to it not being the case. Wicked’s theory about me possibly being Mafia night 1 informed is actually something that, objectively speaking, could be possible. I think the game makes a lot more sense with a Town N1 informed, but I guess it wouldn’t have been impossible for me to be Mafia N1 informed with emps as the town doc.

[Luca Blight]

i just don't wanna lynch the dragon boi

I don’t want to lynch either of you either as I’ve hard TR you guys all game, but we’re at the business end of the game now and these things need sorting.

[Datisi]

Yeah, I guess. Rather than "emps/Luca decided some ungodly both fakeclaiming strategy while leaving Icon (who they thoughts was the tracker) alive and shooting alim who Datisi was heavily suspecting" the simpler explanation is just scum!Icon.