Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[TrueSoulEnergy]

“I’m going to execute the largest wagon, if I believe it to be scum”

This is literally the fucking definition of not being leashed. If you think we’re going to let you make decisions about what is and isn’t scum, then you’re high, or mad, or both. If you’re not going to lynch whatever the highest wagon is regardless of what you personally think of it, you need to die.

I don’t think ele will flip town but if he does, I’ll reevaluate. If he flips scum, I’m using the momentum I’ll get from lynching scum to lynch papa leaf probably.

So I’m not entitled to push anyone?

Where did I ever say that? Push all you want, use your vote to try and make the wagon you want the top wagon. But if you’re saying (and you are, in fact, saying this) that you want to be able to disregard what the plurality of people want and follow your own reads with your power then you absolutely need to die.

Show me your post within Elements being scum please.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Let me see what it says

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’ll try to cooperate with you despite me scum reading you.

[Menalque]

Menalque wanting a leash is very scummy.

Counterpoint: Dave not wanting to hard leash an execute ability is very scummy.

[Menalque]

I’ll try to cooperate with you despite me scum reading you.

I mean the first step here would be explaining how your progression on me makes any sense at all, something that I pointed out explicitly and that you’ve been steadfastly ignoring

[Menalque]

Well, y'all have fun wagoning my buddy. I can't vote for them no matter what, so, I'll just be over here in Flavortown.

why can't you vote for them?

Let’s lynch someone

Who?

VOTE: titus

These are his last 3 posts

Look me in the eye and tell me that titus is more likely scum between the two

Cephir’s probably scum which makes me not like the elements wagon.

Plus, I feel the axolotl is lynch bait.

I mean all my other SRs are on this wagon so I’m kind of using it as a scum litmus test

But I think most likely people are just bussing bc while I love elements he’s not the best scum player on site and if scum wanna bus for some towncred then he’s prob a solid option depending on the construction of the team

So I mean, this, plus the way his wagon became very difficult right after it became viable

[Menalque]

In fact, I think that’s quite likely at this point

Like I can get to why bingle or creature might vote me, in the vanishingly small number of worlds where FL is town him pushing me makes sense, but tse doesn’t

I don’t do I?
I think I made it pretty clear why I voted you.
What doesn’t make sense?
What do you feel I would do then?

I mean, no, you didn’t, but more importantly you have zero progression on my slot and what’s possible to infer makes no sense with your stance

You’ve not made any posts about me being scum prior to voting for me

In that, you simultaneously say “I wouldn’t mind a wagon here” and something about killing the strong scum off first

That doesn’t make sense together — if I’m strong scum, why are you limping on with such a non-commital statement as “I wouldn’t mind a wagon here”? Surely if you think I’m scum and strong at that you’d be advocating a lot more strongly

Also there’s the fact that you having a hard SR on me there literally doesnt make any sense given my reads and your own reads. Like I’ve expressed multiple times at least doubt on gamma and more than that on UT — the last time you interacted with me before voting me was to express interest in a UT lynch when I was shopping around on that

Why would you assume scum!me is bussing D2? Especially when you know for a fact that I don’t bus if avoidable (having made that point multiple times as town in nomination mafia, your only game-to-date with me)

So the only real reason for you to be SRing me is if you think I’m pushing a genuine town cop, and even then that I’m choosing to push that in bad faith? And that doesn’t make any sense because (1) if you’ve been paying attention at all you’ll know that anything papa leaf claims should be taken with a metric tonne of salt and (2) even if you think I’m pushing a town cop you’d still need an answer for why that’s bad faith that I’m doing it in rather than just not believing a claim that there is very good reason not to believe

So yeah, your push makes no fucking sense and you’re probably scum

But this is the post that’s more pertinent that you should be addressing

[Miss Lane]

So I mean, this, plus the way his wagon became very difficult right after it became viable

His wagon was remarkably easy at the beginning of the day until you said "wait are we sure we want to kill teh guy with the execute ability?"

"resistance" arguments are rarely arguments at all, just complaints taht it's too ahrd to lynch someone you wanna lynch

[Menalque]

So I mean, this, plus the way his wagon became very difficult right after it became viable

His wagon was remarkably easy at the beginning of the day until you said "wait are we sure we want to kill teh guy with the execute ability?"

"resistance" arguments are rarely arguments at all, just complaints taht it's too ahrd to lynch someone you wanna lynch

I’m... talking about elements here?

[davesaz]

Unofficial VC

TrueSoulEnergy (7) - pisskop, Firebringer, KidAmn, Menalque, Cephrir, Pink Ball, BBmolla
Vorkuta (8) - Nero Cain, Bingle, Almost50, Elements, chennisden, Gamma Emerald, davesaz, EspressoPatronum
Elements (8) - Wooper, Titus, gobbledygook, Dr Easy Bake, zoraster, Rautherdir, Untrod Tripod, AaronFrost
Titus (6) - Iconeum, Dongempire, TrueSoulEnergy, Flavor Leaf, Amrun, Miss Lynch
Menalque - Creature
Flavor Leaf - Vorkuta

[Cephrir]

:/

VOTE: Elements

[Menalque]

I’m p sure that unofficial VC is wildly incorrect

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So I mean, this, plus the way his wagon became very difficult right after it became viable

His wagon was remarkably easy at the beginning of the day until you said "wait are we sure we want to kill teh guy with the execute ability?"

"resistance" arguments are rarely arguments at all, just complaints taht it's too ahrd to lynch someone you wanna lynch

I’m... talking about elements here?

Ok now I’m willing to execute Elements.
I feel Enter is Scum if Element flips Scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m p sure that unofficial VC is wildly incorrect

Then you do one and stop complaining about it being wrong.

[davesaz]

I’m p sure that unofficial VC is wildly incorrect

Here's what I based it on.
6766

TrueSoulEnergy (9) - pisskop, Firebringer, KidAmn, Menalque, Amrun, Cephrir, Pink Ball, AaronFrost, EspressoPatronum
Vorkuta (8) - Nero Cain, Bingle, BBmolla, Almost50, Elements, Untrod Tripod, chennisden, Gamma Emerald
Elements (6) - Wooper, Titus, gobbledygook, Dr Easy Bake, zoraster, Rautherdir
Titus - Iconeum, Dongempire, Miss Lynch
Menalque - Creature, Flavor Leaf
Flavor Leaf - Vorkuta
Menalque - TrueSoulEnergy

6777 Untrod votes Elements
xx6781 Miss Lynch v. TSE
6794 davesaz v Vorkuta
6801 AaronFrost vs Elements (8,8,8)
6822 TSE v Titus
6842 BBMolla TSE
6848 Flavor v Titus
6849 Amrun v Titus
6852 Miss Lynch v Titus
6858 EspressoPatronum v Vorkuta

[Menalque]

I’m p sure that unofficial VC is wildly incorrect

Retracted, I thought TSE had reached a higher peak and that less people had switched off

[Menalque]

Yeah, I just checked it myself

[davesaz]

As far as I can tell, not voting: Pine, Korina, The Fonz, xofelf, RCEnigma, InsideJob711

Pedit: no problem, this many players is a real pain to keep track of. It's hard enough to get it right when I'm modding a mini and responsible for it.

[davesaz]

I think it's pretty telling that we have 4 wagons within 2 votes of each other, and enough scattered for yet another wagon the same size.
What it's telling is a little harder to figure out.

[Menalque]

ele, claim when you arrive because I’m gonna vote you and tse is gonna execute unless you got some really good shit to offer

[Miss Lane]

Elements isn't the kill today.

[davesaz]

Elements isn't the kill today.

Does that mean you TR Elements?
If so, why?

[Miss Lane]

Also you need one more vote.

[EspressoPatronum]

Menalque wanting a leash is very scummy.

Counterpoint: Dave not wanting to hard leash an execute ability is very scummy.

Do you think davesaz is scum? Why/why not?

[Menalque]

I think he’s at 9 and tse Can execute at 10?