Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[Iconeum]

who's the team emps

time you spilled some beans

[Wickedestjr]

I did some rereading during lunch today and am kinda starting to consider a Luca/Ico team instead.

It explains a lot, including the Luca/Datisi non-tracker claims. The only points of confusion with this are:
Why do Luca/Ico keep Datisi alive?
And I’m also not sure if Luca shoots my Luca/Datisi theory down so hard if his partner is actually Ico.

I need to do some more digging.

emps what do you think?

[Luca Blight]

Wicked, please seriously consider emps/Icon. I’m becoming increasingly sure this is the scum team.

Emps is clearly scum just by how he’s playing right now. He’s making no attempt to solve whatsoever and is giving away as little associative info as possible. He’s banking on the idea that ‘scum would try harder’. Alim also SR emps all game, so the kill makes sense from his PoV.

Icon has protected emps all game, and continues to do so while keeping his options open as much as possible. Me and Datisi are actively trying to rule out the least likely scenarios, but Icon doesn’t want this. Icon’s read progression makes sense and he’s just scattergunning everywhere to cause confusion. I’ve played with Town!Icon twice before and never seen him like this. His reluctance to go 1v1 with Datisi is very out of character for him, and his refusal to accept me and emps are not partners shows he wants to pick his battles and muddy the waters as much as possible. The Alim kill makes sense from Icon as he thought he was the Tracker.

[Plum]

Votecount 3.4

Iconeum

- 1 (Datisi)

Not Voting

- 4 (Luca Blight, Iconeum, emps, Wickedestjr)

With 5 alive it takes 3 votes to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-28 12:00:00)

[emps]

im not trying to solve the game that much because i dont rly like want to i guess

the 1st 20 pages and the fuckfest the rest of this game has been hasnt exactly made me want to play the game more

alimi SRed me for dumb reasons that p much no one really listened to

i couldve won that 1v1 p easily, so scum!me has no incentive to kill him.

i do agree that the reluctance to 1v1 datisi and trying to wiggle out of it is scummy tho

[emps]

I did some rereading during lunch today and am kinda starting to consider a Luca/Ico team instead.

It explains a lot, including the Luca/Datisi non-tracker claims. The only points of confusion with this are:
Why do Luca/Ico keep Datisi alive?
And I’m also not sure if Luca shoots my Luca/Datisi theory down so hard if his partner is actually Ico.

I need to do some more digging.

emps what do you think?

for the sake of my 3 braincells, id like to just assume its not a datisi/ico team

i believe its a luca/ico team as well because from my pov, luca is confscum

ico is because hes trying to wiggle out of the 1v1 w datisi and trying to push a luca/me team here

maybe ico convinces luca it should be between nking alimi(who ico thought was tracker) or nking you(because you fned ico)

[Wickedestjr]

I'll admit that this 'informed' mechanic is very new to me. I've just recently started playing forum mafia again and I don't think this even existed a few years ago when I used to play. I've taken the time to look in other games to see what types of information people usually get. If anyone's interested, I ran a search for normal/micro games with an 'informed' role here.

Some personal takeaways that I'm recording for my own benefit but may be of interest to others:

• Seems like this ability is more often given to scum, but not always
  
• The information can be pretty much anything (e.g. 'you know this person is a doctor' or 'you know some of these roles may exist' or 'you know there are 4 VTs', etc.). It's pretty bizarre to me seeing such a variety of different types of information all within the scope of this 'normal' mechanic, but now I know.
  
• This game is the most similar to what Luca is claiming to be. There was a player in that game who knew someone else was a town-aligned doctor at the start of the game.

Worth noting also that Luca just got out of a game where scum had an informed member. Perhaps that would make him slightly less inclined to use it as a fake claim here, but I don't really know.

I'll be honest. After taking a look through that, I'm a little bit less confident in Luca being scum. One of the other issues I had with Luca's claim was that it meant there were three informational roles (him, me, Aldu) and zero protective roles which seemed very unusual/imbalanced to me. However, I saw some setups in my search that had several investigative roles and another setup that had several protective roles.

Maybe there's no doctor and this setup is just kinda like an informational potpourri with three very different types of investigative abilities: a FN who can slowly inform people of his own innocence, someone who thinks they're a backup to someone who can follow people at night, and someone who finds out about the back-up tracker at start of day 2. It does seem kinda strange to me that Aldu's role would exist purely so that someone else could be informed about him. But now that I think about it through this 'informational potpourri' lens, maybe it's not so unreasonable...

[Wickedestjr]

Wicked, please seriously consider emps/Icon.

I definitely will.

[Wickedestjr]

I really appreciate you guys all being so patient with me. I know my reads have been all over the place this day phase; I'm just trying to consider all the different possibilities.

But it looks like I'll have to cast my vote tomorrow night, so we'll see where my reads end up by that point.

I just feel the pressure and really want to get this right.

[Datisi]

You won't be around when the deadline strikes?

[Luca Blight]

As soon as I saw Aldu had been killed N1 I knew my role held no water whatsoever, and would only look bad on me due to the 'convenience' of it. I was gutted tbh as I didn't see the Aldu kill coming at all. My claim only made sense after it was established that there was no Tracker, which I had no way of knowing at the time of claiming.

[Datisi]

As soon as I saw Aldu had been killed N1 I knew my role held no water whatsoever, and would only look bad on me due to the 'convenience' of it. I was gutted tbh as I didn't see the Aldu kill coming at all.

My claim only made sense after it was established that there was no Tracker

, which I had no way of knowing at the time of claiming.

This part kinda confuses me. Were you expecting for there to be no Tracker?

[Luca Blight]

I was fully expecting there to be a Tracker.

I'm saying my claim only held some water after we found out there is no Tracker in this game. Until then, my claim was not supported at all.

[Wickedestjr]

You won't be around when the deadline strikes?

Deadline will hit at noon on Thanksgiving day my time. I'll probably have some time to post that morning, but given the holiday I might not have time for any last-second deep/groundbreaking analysis. So I'm planning to vote tomorrow night, maybe 11-12 hours before deadline at least.

[Wickedestjr]

@Ico

I'm leaning towards voting for you tomorrow night. Let's say you have roughly 24 hours to convince me otherwise. Unfortunately, we've never really been online together at all this game. But here are some things that I would like you to talk about please:

1. Why should I be townreading you? And why should I be scum reading Datisi? Note that I am fully convinced you are not both town.

2. How likely is it that the scum team is Luca/emps? Why wouldn't they hammer you and how could the setup just be FN + back-up tracker?

3. If you were scum, how likely is it that you would kill alimdia? On a similar note, how likely is that you would keep me alive as FN?

And I think you should be voting for Datisi right now.

[Iconeum]

@Ico

I'm leaning towards voting for you tomorrow night. Let's say you have roughly 24 hours to convince me otherwise. Unfortunately, we've never really been online together at all this game. But here are some things that I would like you to talk about please:

1. Why should I be townreading you? And why should I be scum reading Datisi? Note that I am fully convinced you are not both town.

2. How likely is it that the scum team is Luca/emps? Why wouldn't they hammer you and how could the setup just be FN + back-up tracker?

3. If you were scum, how likely is it that you would kill alimdia? On a similar note, how likely is that you would keep me alive as FN?

And I think you should be voting for Datisi right now.

I'm not gonna try and sell you a scum!datisi read. I don't have one. If there's a single townread left standing this game for me, it's datisi. Does an emps/Luca team make perfect sense? No. Does FN+backup tracker make a ton of sense? No. But that doesn't rule it out.
I've been over the hammer thing several times already, my point hasn't changed. I don't see why luca/emps HAVE to organize a quickhammer here because of the inherent risk. Risk the entire game now, while having 2 phases left to try and win? Nah.

Scum!Ico gets an FN message and insta defends you on D2. I could easily just *not* say anything about you at all, and NK you N2. But I defended you. And then going into Lylo scum!Ico has multiple stuff to worry about:

-FN!Wicked.

CONFIRMED

unlyncheable. Scum!Ico can't do jack shit about this, because someone else will have a result as well. Best scum!Ico can hope for is some town credit for 'defending' you, but we both know that isn't really true.
-Tracker!Luca. Will have a claim, probably results varrying from semi-clears to hard guilty. In a setup with backup tracker flipped, this is unlyncheable barring counterclaim.
-Power Role feelings!alimdia. Felt like a power role. Possibly tracker if Luca wasn't. Possibly something else. Who knows at that time. In all other circumstances the PERFECT mislynch for a scum!Ico.
-Towncore!Datisi. Up until today probably the strongest townread player in the game. Unlikely to be the lynch.
-Lurker!emps. Probably the only viable mislynch. No scumteam would lynch this slot.

You decide yourself, what you think I would pick or wouldn't pick.

The only logical lynch for me today is Luca, and work from there.

VOTE: Luca

[Datisi]

what
the shit

what has changed from here:

i had to go back and read, turns out i cased specifically why i think they [emps/Luca] can't be a team lol

ur actually scum this game aren't you?

to here:

I'm not gonna try and sell you a scum!datisi read. I don't have one. If there's a single townread left standing this game for me, it's datisi.

???

why does nothing make sense this game
why

[Iconeum]

what changed? I don't know. There's 2 scum in the 3 of you. That means 1 town. I think ur the town based on the entire fucking game. Point. End. I'm crawling in a corner with that read and i'm hoping for the best.

[Iconeum]

it's so scummy of me to keep changing my reads right

[Luca Blight]

You TR me harder than Datisi D2, but now you're finding it impossible to SR Datisi over me even though logically she must be confscum to you?

[Datisi]

this game legit gives me anxiety lmao

Luca how come you're not crossvoting him?

[Luca Blight]

I refer back to this:

i could give you a PoE right now but i don't have strong scumreads atm

Btw this would be good i guess

icon
wicked
luca
datisi
emps
alim
pops

it's probably a pretty spicey list according to you but it's not just thrown together

discuss

But now suddenly Datisi has to be Town over me because of her play the whole game. Once again, Icon's read progression makes no sense.

[Luca Blight]

If it's emps/Datisi, then good game Datisi. You deserve the win.

VOTE: Icon

L-1

[Datisi]

Hmmmmmmm
It's not but thank you

also i realized that i was a bit stupid here with calling the non-cross-vote out but it's okay we lose from Luca/emps anyway

[Luca Blight]

Icon knows he's being lynched over Datisi, which would make it me v emps on the final day, so he's trying to 1v1 me instead knowing how much suspicion Wicked has had of me.