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Post Post #8575 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:35 am

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In post 8563, Untrod Tripod wrote:yo your role is easily fakeable by scum and I don't really want to hold hands in magic fairyland and pick someone from a random list of people that *might* contain scum

I have actual reads
My lists definitely contain scum. And has caught scum.

It’s a weak investigative power and I think I’ve used it pretty wisely, to the betterment of town.

Do you really have reads? Because you seem to be flitting around lurker wagons today.

Please explain my play as groupscum motivated.

If you do not think I am groupscum, what do you think I am?
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Post Post #8576 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:44 am

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@Cephrir
The write-ups will be indicative of night actions; however, not all night actions will always be present. Also, red herrings. Also also, they're sometimes vague.
In addition to the above, Xanesha is capable of shifting into a human form and using Disguise Self, if I remember correctly.
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Post Post #8577 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:48 am

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In post 8412, Rautherdir wrote:
In post 8388, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 8386, gobbledygook wrote:Thinking Zorooster since the lie detector came back false but Inside said they actually did it. [...]
Do JOATs usually have an ability to hide? It's not clear to me why Inside Job's statement came back as false. Was it a lie about hiding, or a lie about Zoraster being town as a result?

In the case of the latter, I'd like to vote Zora.
Kind of realized after the flip, but in NAR the hide would happen before the recruit, meaning that as long as the cult leader is alive a hider can't guarantee someone as town. So, that was a bad guilty on my part.
I didn't end up using my ability last night, the day ended before I could break my post restriction. I guess I'll go ahead and break it now, and get that over with.

I would be interested in either a Zoraster lynch or a Flavor Leaf lynch. One of those is almost certainly scum. Was honestly expecting Elements to vig one of them last night.
I do not want to lead anyone astray, but -to me- a Hider canNOT be targeted "directly" by ANY normal priority action.
This means, he was either recruited by a high priority action (unlikely, since mod says he follows NAR, although NAR doesn't explicitly prevent including a Higher Priority Modifier), OR they got recruited
while Hiding
, meaning the action actually hit Zoraster and "consequently" InsideJob (because he was hiding behind Zor).

But that is IF we believe InsideJob was actually truthfully claiming his Hider action.

To reiterate: Either InsideJob was targeted directly by a Higher Priority Cult Recruitment Action, He was Culted while Hiding behind Zor which necessitates Zor to have been culted too, OR InsideJob lied for God knows what reason about having had a Hider shit to begin with.

InsideJob was a

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Post Post #8578 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:48 am

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In post 8575, Amrun wrote:Because you seem to be flitting around lurker wagons today.
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Post Post #8579 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:49 am

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Is/Was Zor confirmed a townie by any other way aside from InsideJob's claim?

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Post Post #8580 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:51 am

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In post 8578, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 8575, Amrun wrote:Because you seem to be flitting around lurker wagons today.
miss me with that shit

Which one of dongempire slot and KidAmn isn’t a lurker wagon?

I don’t hate either of those wagons, but I feel like this read of me came out of nowhere and I really want to sort you since your progression makes no sense to me.

Please answer my questions. Please explain my play this game from the perspective of groupscum.
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Post Post #8581 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:54 am

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In post 8414, Bingle wrote:I'm going to take that as confirmation that a cult recruiter would not be told whether their action would go through on a hider, which in turn implies that inside job was a N1 recruit. OTOH, ali didn't have a motive to clear scum Zor as cult, so Zor is at worst cult and we're really not hurting against the cult atm.

Results came through, I continue to have no reason to believe that there's anything useful about FB you all should know.

I'm kind of interested in the reasoning on why we should believe the FL guilty in light of the flip.
If there's anything I've learnt about you it is that asking for a clarification on your logic yields mire confusion, so I won't ask. Instead I will just say Cults are damn too hard to deal with and it's best to keep them at bay and try to eliminate them early or they will triumph. (Not the kind of Cult you used in your last game though)

Sidenote: The fact that I didn't even realize you were in this game should tell you how much I have been following ANY of mt games. :facepalm:

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Post Post #8582 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:58 am

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In post 8416, Flavor Leaf wrote:@Pisskop - There’s zero chance I’m ever cult and you don’t get recruited by Day 4....
That is actually a decent point. OK, half decent. There's lots of fish in this sea, but the recruits that flipped so far make it nigh to impossible that FL had a say in them.

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Post Post #8583 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:01 am

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In post 8418, Flavor Leaf wrote:Claiming now. It’s Day 4, I’m done messing around. I’ll claim.

I’m a Backup Investigative. Any Cop or Cop-like ability that dies, I get it.
I don't suppose a JOAT with at least one investigative shot would count, would it?

Oh, what am I doing? Taking a FLAVOR LEAF claim for granted? In my defence, you did say "claim".

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Post Post #8584 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:03 am

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In post 8576, Rautherdir wrote:@Cephrir
The write-ups will be indicative of night actions; however, not all night actions will always be present. Also, red herrings. Also also, they're sometimes vague.
In addition to the above, Xanesha is capable of shifting into a human form and using Disguise Self, if I remember correctly.
I guess.

Ok but like floating dogs? That's really specific. Furthermore, I think we should at least try to use what we have rather than going "welp there are red herrings let's not try"
And also it's not like wooper is a bad lynch anyway, hes actually just scum regardless right
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Post Post #8585 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:04 am

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In post 8429, Flavor Leaf wrote:and because of my deal with Miss Lynch
What deal, may I ask?

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Post Post #8586 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:05 am

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I actually had a slight Town lean on Wooper day 1 but his willful lurking is inexcusable and there’s a mechanical reason to suspect him.
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Post Post #8587 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:07 am

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As to floating dogs... It is Korina we're talking about. And Korina's slot was a godfather, I'm wondering how much that would have applied to the night flavor.
It will be something to keep in mind though, of course. I just don't think it's something worth pursuing unless we see another Aasimar in flavor.
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Post Post #8588 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:10 am

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In post 8587, Rautherdir wrote:As to floating dogs... It is Korina we're talking about. And Korina's slot was a godfather, I'm wondering how much that would have applied to the night flavor.
I really, really do not think weve regressed all the way to "hints about specific users in night flavor." I havent seen that trash this decade.

Godfather has a specific purpose and it is not to appear to be someone else in flavor.
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Post Post #8589 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:12 am

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... Although after looking at the list, I'd be fine with 3 of them dying. (zor, Wooper, and UT)

Actually, let's just try this: VOTE: Wooper
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Post Post #8590 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:12 am

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In post 8580, Amrun wrote:
In post 8578, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 8575, Amrun wrote:Because you seem to be flitting around lurker wagons today.
miss me with that shit

Which one of dongempire slot and KidAmn isn’t a lurker wagon?

I don’t hate either of those wagons, but I feel like this read of me came out of nowhere and I really want to sort you since your progression makes no sense to me.

Please answer my questions. Please explain my play this game from the perspective of groupscum.
a. the fact that they are not super active players does not mean I am scumreading them FOR LURKING. this is not a difficult concept and it is easy to tell from my posts why I don't like them.
b. I don't have a strong read on you either way, and your role would be really easily fakeable by scum. I don't trust it enough to make choices based on it when I have other reads. again, this is not a difficult concept and it is easy to tell from my posts.
c. I'm not a huge fan of the EXPLAIN TO ME WHY I'M SCUM thing, so you can, again, miss me with that shit because if I was scumreading you I wouldn't be talking to YOU about it
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Post Post #8591 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:20 am

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In post 8588, Cephrir wrote:
In post 8587, Rautherdir wrote:As to floating dogs... It is Korina we're talking about. And Korina's slot was a godfather, I'm wondering how much that would have applied to the night flavor.
I really, really do not think weve regressed all the way to "hints about specific users in night flavor." I havent seen that trash this decade.

Godfather has a specific purpose and it is not to appear to be someone else in flavor.
Fair point. Considering who the options are it might be worthwhile to find out. Though I don't think Zoraster can be group-scum unless Inside was lying about using a hider shot. Which... I don't know. Presumably Flavor Leaf would know since that variation of hider is technically an investigative.
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Post Post #8592 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:22 am

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In post 8590, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 8580, Amrun wrote:
In post 8578, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 8575, Amrun wrote:Because you seem to be flitting around lurker wagons today.
miss me with that shit

Which one of dongempire slot and KidAmn isn’t a lurker wagon?

I don’t hate either of those wagons, but I feel like this read of me came out of nowhere and I really want to sort you since your progression makes no sense to me.

Please answer my questions. Please explain my play this game from the perspective of groupscum.
a. the fact that they are not super active players does not mean I am scumreading them FOR LURKING. this is not a difficult concept and it is easy to tell from my posts why I don't like them.
b. I don't have a strong read on you either way, and your role would be really easily fakeable by scum. I don't trust it enough to make choices based on it when I have other reads. again, this is not a difficult concept and it is easy to tell from my posts.
c. I'm not a huge fan of the EXPLAIN TO ME WHY I'M SCUM thing, so you can, again, miss me with that shit because if I was scumreading you I wouldn't be talking to YOU about it
A. I know you’re not. I’ve read your reasons. They don’t seem to be so compelling as to ignore investigative results.
B/C. I was specifically asking you to mentally examine my interaction with Titus as a scumteam interaction. Not because I want you to explain it to me, but because I want to see what level of mental gymnastics you go through to justify it. It is, in my opinion, completely unjustifiable. I say this to either 1) get you to re-examine as thoughtful town, and b) help me sort you. Also because you didn’t seem to have an issue with me day 1 so I don’t understand your read on me and I’d like to.
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Post Post #8593 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:25 am

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In post 8592, Amrun wrote:I don't have a strong read on you either way
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Post Post #8594 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:25 am

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should have been me quoting myself
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Post Post #8595 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:31 am

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But why not? Do you think it’s likely, or even possible, that me and Titus were partners? You can answer this even if you haven’t decided if we are partners.
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Post Post #8596 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:33 am

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In post 8595, Amrun wrote:But why not? Do you think it’s likely, or even possible, that me and Titus were partners? You can answer this even if you haven’t decided if we are partners.
YES. BUSSING IS A THING. I DO IT ALL THE TIME AS SCUM.
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Post Post #8597 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:34 am

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In post 8592, Amrun wrote:They don’t seem to be so compelling as to ignore investigative results.
your claimed investigative results are 1 guilty and 5 random people.

I'll go with my scumreads thanks.
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Post Post #8598 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:38 am

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what's this list of people for?
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Post Post #8599 (ISO) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:38 am

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In post 8596, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 8595, Amrun wrote:But why not? Do you think it’s likely, or even possible, that me and Titus were partners? You can answer this even if you haven’t decided if we are partners.
YES. BUSSING IS A THING. I DO IT ALL THE TIME AS SCUM.
It is more complicated than bussing or not bussing.

But clearly you aren’t interested in sorting me, or helping others sort you. Even if you want your own reads to go through as lynches you should want this.

But I am irritating you so I’ll let it go for now. I wasn’t trying to annoy you, though it is slightly interesting that I seem to be.

P-edit: It’s no smoking gun. It has to be combined with scumhunting. Right now, I don’t care if you are paying attention to my reads list. It’s not terribly relevant right now anyway. But it is information to be pooled with other info, EVEN IF you take my alignment with a grain of salt.
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