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[Karnage]

Vote Count 1.3

Uncrowned (3) ~

the worst, NaCl, Arkias

the worst (2) ~

Uncrowned, Thomth

Thomth (2) ~

LoserdudeOG, geraintm

Not voting (2) ~

faüstiv, Creature

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-12-15 18:22:46)

Mod Note

faüstiv has (expired on 2019-12-07 13:22:46) to confirm or be replaced.

[Creature]

Could have stole your pagetop, but I decided to be nice

[Creature]

Hehe got a hot take

Thomth is just lynchbait

[Creature]

I think Gatorade and Uncrowned are town too

[Creature]

By Gatorade I meant the geratrim user I can't remember the exact username

[the worst]

I'm gonna claim the lynchbait!Thomth hot take actually >:{

are you able to articulate your uncrowned town read a little creature?

[Creature]

are you able to articulate your uncrowned town read a little creature?

Something self-awareness

don't think scum!Uncrowned would keep forcing it

[the worst]

He has quite a good scumgame - more of a long con wolf than like strong realtime interactions but - keep me posted on that read.

[Creature]

Meh, I'll see how that evolves

I don't want to blow it all at once

[Creature]

I personally would like an explanation from Thomth regarding the L-1. Definitely didn’t seem like RVS VOTE: Tomth

This post looks bad

[Creature]

I'm thinking scum is most likely between NaCl, LoserDude and Arkias

[NaCl]

Sup Arkais, sorry u got NKed last time :’(

It's alright. Reading the Mafia Thread showed it was clearly between taking Dunn at face value vs me. I'd have done the same, and killed myself too.


Also, how on earth do we have the Worst at L-1 already?

Personally though, I want to know more about Uncrowned. His posts so far rub me the wrong way.

VOTE: Uncrowned

What bugs you about Uncrowned? I'm liking him so far, not the best, but better than average.

I don't like that he seemed worried about there being 2 votes on his wagon, and his argument seemed weird. That it was statistically unlikely for someone to hit scum with their RVS votes is not something I consider relevant when I'd make my RVS vote, and it felt like he's kind of softly saying uncrowned should take his vote away for that reason.

this is incorrect on like a few levels.

Did I say Uncrowned shouldn't vote me?
Or was I trying to parse whether Uncrowned had a readable mindset at the time of placing his d1 vote?

You read this with a predisposition towards reaching the conclusion that I was scum. I'd like to ask you to try reading me again please.

If you do scum read me, fine. But you're misrepresenting what I did quite blatantly and I'm not sure if it's erroneous or negligent yet.

Nah, you didn't actually say that. It's just that you felt like you were soft-saying it, or trying to imply it without actually saying it outright. And it just felt really off to me, because if that was what you were trying to do, that isn't really a strong argument for why you're not scum.
I'm not really scumreading you, it's just that at the time you felt like you were better than average to be scum, but it would be too early to make that conclusion.


I've got a few townreads, but I don't feel like discussing them yet. But I do agree with Creature on his focus on LoserDude and Arkias.
Also, if LoserDude is scum, I think that makes TW likely town.

[Arkias]

Personally though, I want to know more about Uncrowned. His posts so far rub me the wrong way.

Could you give me a quick rundown of why please

Yeah, sure!

18, 20, 22 really just... rub me strangely. I know overall it's fairly innocent with the conversation about the butter/sweet spot of when to vote (voting in the middle makes you stand out more or less). I can't exactly say why I don't like it, it's just a feeling at the moment. If you go through his post history, he's questioned and poked people a lot, but hasn't actually given his own tells/reads or anything to say, outside of poking other people for explanations. Like I said, it's just weird to me at the moment, but I don't really have much more than that.


Outside of Uncrowned, I'm really just waiting for a post from faüstiv or whomever replaces them.

I don't really have much to comment on just yet, nor do I see anything worth on the discussion, but I do have some townleans/reads. Are those worth speaking about as much as things that rub you the wrong way?

Also, Hi creature!

[Creature]

Also, Hi creature!

Hey

Do I know you?

[Arkias]

Do you need to for a hi?

[Creature]

People usually don't say hi directly to someone unless they know them and are excited to see them

[Arkias]

It was more to say Hi after you missing the first day really. Also, saying Hi to new people is also one of the options to greet.

But this is a digression.

[Uncrowned]

I poke and ask questions to get reads, they don't come out of thin air.

Arkias' posts feel super over-explainy.

Think NaCl might have caught out TW with the discomfort of having 2 votes on him. Why bring up statistics when everyone has equal chance of being scum + you had just been the 2nd vote on another person?

Weird.

[the worst]

Are those worth speaking about as much as things that rub you the wrong way?

Absolutely. :> good townreads are actually often more valuable than early scumreads.

[the worst]

I poke and ask questions to get reads, they don't come out of thin air.

valid but what are your reads?

Arkias' posts feel super over-explainy.

does this include their posts other than the one where I asked them to explain a very early scumread? I'd be interested in seeing which of their posts pinged you as over-explainy and what you think that means for their alignment.

Think NaCl might have caught out TW with the discomfort of having 2 votes on him. Why bring up statistics when everyone has equal chance of being scum + you had just been the 2nd vote on another person?

Weird.

Do I feel uncomfortable to you Mr. Uncrowned? I'm in my element rn.

Did you feel like I was pressuring you to move your vote, or like I was starting a conversation up? Did you feel like my intentions were manipulative, or like I was trying to get a dialogue going between us? These are pretty big differences, and I need you to go a level deeper than shading me. I know you're capable of shading as scum. Let's see something you'd struggle to do as scum.

Do you equate weird with scum indicative? Talk me thru this

[Uncrowned]

I meant to type post not posts, mb. Post 87 is what I'm referencing. Feels forced, especially the "hasnt come up with his own reads" part considering I havent had enough from anyone at that point to make a read

[Uncrowned]

'fraid not.

More importantly: assuming you don't lynch yourself you have a 75% chance of mislynching. That in mind, your rvs vote is more likely to be on town than scum by a decent margin.

So I can't help but wonder why you decided to join an rvs wagon on me?

The unbolded is an attempt at conversation, the bolded feels like a suggestion to put my vote onto someone else.

Weird isn't scum indicative, it's just that - weird. I assume you have a reason behind doing it, since you have enough self-awareness to know what you're doing and not make any obvious slips.

But yes, I do feel like there was some attempt at "moving my vote" although I wouldn't use "pressuring". Lowkey manipulation would be a better term, imo.

[Uncrowned]

To give a reason it is because I feel like a craby crab snibbity snab.

VOTE: the worst

That is L-1

Was this truly an RVS?

I feel like there is no good reason to put someone at L-1 on day 1 of day 1

Why? That's a great way to get some dialogue going and develop reads.

Was the L-1 on your scum buddy too soon?

[Uncrowned]

Let's go more specific, this part in particular is extremely weak.

If you go through his post history, he's questioned and poked people a lot, but hasn't actually given his own tells/reads or anything to say, outside of poking other people for explanations.

This part entirely ignores the context of the game and where we were at. Not even 2 pages in, little content given outside of my interactions with The Worst. Giving "reads" at that point of the game would've been misleading and pointless.

[Karnage]

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