Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[Amrun]

@amrun idk you still feel v hedgey here which isn’t what I’d expect from town!you, and I also don’t like the way that you’re targeting a lurker while still being open to what I think is prob the main alternative to your own wagon which seems v survivialisitc

What are you smoking? Are you considering GuiltyLion a lurker? Are you saying DDL is the main opponent to my wagon? He has ZERO votes on him.

Do you think just because you personally expressed suspicion of DDL he is the main opponent wagon to me? You are so full of yourself. That’s hilarious.

[Menalque]

I think assuming you can 3p solve at this point is silly

I don’t think you understand what I’m doing tbh

What makes you say that? I think I can follow and understand it, I just also think there's probably scum in your blindspot like 80% of the time, or at least there is for me whenever I'm trying to look at associatives and teams d1

Yeah there normally is, but I think it helps my overall thought process and read rste to try and solve from D1

Normally I get at least 1 scum but also end up with at least one in my TRs

The question then becomes how well I can reevaluate based on flips

It just sounded like you were thinking my intention was to come up with a solid solve D1 when that’s not it at all

[Menalque]

@amrun yeah I’m talking about ddl

Doesn’t matter if there are no votes on him, I’m reading the room

[Menalque]

Re: DDL.

I think some of it is just playstyle. However, in a game I replaced into with him in it, his reads were actually OK. He was eventually NK by scum, though I didn’t personally understand the kill.

In any case, it does seem to be a departure from his play that game since he’s like afraid to take stances here. So I could see it.

P-

edit: Because I’m town, and there’s scum pushing it somewhere. And that’s EXACTLY what Salamence20 was saying when you said he’s “shading the whole wagon,” which isn’t what he’s doing, IMO.

Okay so here’s my objection to that: I don’t think this wagon is really being pushed outside of me?

And I don’t read anyone else on it early ss scummy, so I think this is v much a town motivated wagon which makes that “tell me this is all town” comment an effort to shade the wagon fmpov

Now if I’m wrong on you, I think scum probably did jump on, but towards the end of the wagon less than the start

If I’m right then sally trying to discredit the early wagon (ie the impetus for the whole thing) was def an attempt to stop it gaining traction

[Menalque]

Creature come back and tell them I play like dogshit as town

The only game I’ve played with you, you didn’t play like dogshit

+1 tbf

[Salamence20]

amrun [7] - Menalque, Datisi, Iconeum, AaronFrost, Dogwatch, GuiltyLion, Creature

So we have Amrun at L-1. Lets take a look at whos on it.

Menalque - the only guy at this time doing much as to make a wagon, actually provides a case on why Amrun is scum.

Datisi - Agreeing with Menal

Icon - Agreeing with Menal, attempts to mask it by giving an excuse 1 post later.

AaronFrost - Seems innocent to me, but does agree with Menal's case.

Dogwatch - Literally out of nowhere vote that just looks bad.

GuiltyLion - Really fucking bad vote in hindsight because:

alright I've read up but my energy is rapidly draining as it's been a long couple days and it's getting late here. I'll be around more for a bit tonight but ~ real effort ~ will come tomorrow probably.

I'm updating my townreads to include AF and Datisi.

Amrun is a spicy wagon that I think has p good odds of scum and I'm gonna join it, but right now I feel I got a stronger read on alimdia.

I think the S_S tunnel is a distraction and disingenuous, and has given alimdia cover not to comment on anything else actually relevant going on.

AF - do you still want me to explain my townreads from half the game ago? I can do that but frankly I don't really want to unless this will genuinely help you sort me

VOTE: Amrun

Creature - Like WTF? I'm chalking it up to his playstyle (Which may or may not be NAI, I don't give enough of a shit to look), but this is dumb.

Fucking gag me, this wagon is pathetic.

P-Edit:

Okay so here’s my objection to that: I don’t think this wagon is really being pushed outside of me?

THATS WHY ITS SCUMMY.

[Menalque]

I suppose sally is doing stuff and could just be bad town but idk

WTF?

He seems super resistant to the amrun wagon and like I don’t think there are good reasons to be TRing amrun atm?

I said before I don't like your case and I don't like the people on said wagon.

Plus I really hated that post where he tried to shade the entire wagon

I'm coming back to this.

Idk what you want me to say to this?

[Menalque]

Okay sally let’s try this differently, if you think there’s scum on amrun!wagon, how many?

[Creature]

It's prob Aaron + Amrun + someone fucking around

You really think me and Amrun are a team?

Creature might actually be scum here.

Okay you're indeed scum then

[Creature]

Creature come back and tell them I play like dogshit as town

You're usually visibly town as town

[Menalque]

Datisi why are you not posting more

[Menalque]

Jesús Christ how do I get ninja’d like 29 times in 5 minutes and then this thread turns into a fucking graveyard again in the same period of time

[Menalque]

Especially when this is like the only time when I can talk to about half the playerlist

[Salamence20]

Jesús Christ how do I get ninja’d like 29 times in 5 minutes and then this thread turns into a fucking graveyard again in the same period of time

I know right?

Wtf

[Salamence20]

Okay sally let’s try this differently, if you think there’s scum on amrun!wagon, how many?

Icon/DW + GL

[Menalque]

Okay talk to me about icon/DW? Because I think the whole of the front end of the wagon is town rn

[Menalque]

I don’t really see either of those two as scummy

I’m p sure I was mindmelding with icon at some point which is normally a good sign unless it’s someone like skitter who can fake town thought processes well enough that I’ve mindmelded with her when she’s been scum

And dogwatch reads as newb!town to me even if she’s not a true newb

I think her amrun vote is towny as she goes from agreeing with her to voting her and I think scum are normally more concerned about showing their progression whereas town just go with it when their reads change so they’re more flipfloppy

Also I think a couple of people have been calling her scum and she’s p much just ignored it which is +townpoints

[Menalque]

alright I've read up but my energy is rapidly draining as it's been a long couple days and it's getting late here. I'll be around more for a bit tonight but ~ real effort ~ will come tomorrow probably.

I'm updating my townreads to include AF and Datisi. Amrun is a spicy wagon that I think has p good odds of scum and I'm gonna join it, but right now I feel I got a stronger read on alimdia. I think the S_S tunnel is a distraction and disingenuous, and has given alimdia cover not to comment on anything else actually relevant going on.

AF - do you still want me to explain my townreads from half the game ago? I can do that but frankly I don't really want to unless this will genuinely help you sort me

VOTE: Amrun

It bothers me that you have a stronger read on Alimdia. Why not vote there?

Because i don't think voting Alimdia would generate any info or likely lead to a lynch and in a game with this many people it's better to wagon than to vanity vote

What do you think of this @sslly?

[Salamence20]

I mean if youre ok with people just sheeping you thats fine but icon disappeared and his prododge was “keep voting amrun.”

DW’s vote just seemed out of nowhere to me.

Idk if the last part is correct though, does ignoring an omgus and a chain equal town?

Fucking stop pediting me: I may have missed that but just because someone is more vocal doesnt mean we should lynch them vs a bigger quieter scumread. Infact today would be the better day to rope inactives/lurkers since town doesnt really have any guns.

[Salamence20]

Id feel better about amrun honestly if more people were playing.

The playerbase not having a counterwagon irks me

[Salamence20]

If Amrun flips town I dont think we have much to go on other than Id add Creature and Datisi to the scumpile

[Salamence20]

4th post lol:

I mean to say Datisi and creature would look worse than the others on a townflip since they actually look to be decent players

[Menalque]

What do you mean by “a chain”? Im not saying locktown but yeah I think those are both behaviours that come more often from town so *shrug*

I hard disagree on lynching a lurker

I think scum is normally gonna have at least one active player so I think the best bet is to aim for that, it’s a huge gamble for the entire scumtesm to lurk out the game hoping no one will target them, plus the more interactions a player has the easier it is to sort around them even they are a mislynch

You’re right about the counter wagon tbf that’s another thing that’s unsettling

[Menalque]

Okay I think sally can be town actually

[Amrun]

Re: DDL.

I think some of it is just playstyle. However, in a game I replaced into with him in it, his reads were actually OK. He was eventually NK by scum, though I didn’t personally understand the kill.

In any case, it does seem to be a departure from his play that game since he’s like afraid to take stances here. So I could see it.

P-

edit: Because I’m town, and there’s scum pushing it somewhere. And that’s EXACTLY what Salamence20 was saying when you said he’s “shading the whole wagon,” which isn’t what he’s doing, IMO.

Okay so here’s my objection to that: I don’t think this wagon is really being pushed outside of me?

And I don’t read anyone else on it early ss scummy, so I think this is v much a town motivated wagon which makes that “tell me this is all town” comment an effort to shade the wagon fmpov

Now if I’m wrong on you, I think scum probably did jump on, but towards the end of the wagon less than the start

If I’m right then sally trying to discredit the early wagon (ie the impetus for the whole thing) was def an attempt to stop it gaining traction

I agree overall - but what I’m saying is that Salamence20 was saying LITERALLY the same exact thing as you are saying.

I think the scumhop onto the wagon is GL.