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[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, but FL. According to you, sloppy play is a town indicator, right?

Get real.

Depends on the player.

Scum you is absolutely not sloppy.



@NaCL - Nobody’s doubting your claim. I trust you to be the FN, and if you’re not, you’d be found out. I don’t see you making that play here.

I’ll vote Gera if time constraints necessitate it.

[Uncrowned]

My issue with Gerain placement on Zoomie read list is that, again, he hadn't said a word about him all game, and then dropped him in his scum tier. The sheeping just gives me a bad, bad feeling. I myself sheeped reads a bit in my first scum game.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you’re wrong on Zoomie, and they flip town, then what?

[Uncrowned]

Well then my reads are shit

Then i try and squeeze AI content out of Gerain since we havent gotten much of that yet imo. He's practically dead null to me. I dislike his passive play but the stuff I've seen from zoomie is far more concering than anything ive seen from gerain yet

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m actually not opposed to a JK being on you, NaCL. You could act as an IC in that way.

JK, if you exist, 50/50 on protecting NaCL or not. WIFOM the scum team. You can wiggle away and try to catch a block, though, too

[Flavor Leaf]

Well then my reads are shit

Then i try and squeeze AI content out of Gerain since we havent gotten much of that yet imo. He's practically dead null to me. I dislike his passive play but the stuff I've seen from zoomie is far more concering than anything ive seen from gerain yet

If you and Zoomie are both town, then scum are coasting off of this argument.

[Uncrowned]

Also ldog has seemed very content to sit behind you FL so would be interested in seeing more from him

[Flavor Leaf]

Why is Loser/Alex/Creature town for you?

[Uncrowned]

I AGREE.

But I've still gotten almost nothing from anyone to say Zoomie IS town except "uncrowned, he's new"

[Flavor Leaf]

Also ldog has seemed very content to sit behind you FL so would be interested in seeing more from him

Yeah, I was just thinking about that, but he seems genuine. I might have a blind spot and be getting warlocked. (When scum sit behind their demon townie and let them do the blunt of the damage)

[Flavor Leaf]

I AGREE.

But I've still gotten almost nothing from anyone to say Zoomie IS town except "uncrowned, he's new"

It’s because you’re pushing it as Scummie when it’s at best NAI. I personally think it’s town indicative based on game state likely going towards him being lynched today, which is why I think it is a mislynch.

My initial reaction entering this game was Uncrowned, Duck, or Loser had a scum in them.

[Uncrowned]

I've explained creature and alex in my read list. Check ISO.

LDog was actually scum for me until zoomie said he was scum on Arkias wagon. Made me consider Town!LDog more seriously. I haven't really liked how he's sitting behind you so much these last few pages though.

[Flavor Leaf]

Let’s take a pause and look for the second scum. I’m curious as to where you lay with that

[NaCl]

This opinion on Zoomie feels really forced. I get that he's not the towniest person around, but it feels like his play is too consistent. I think that pretty much anyone who was his scum partner would have told him to improve his style or something. But his reads feel just as difficult for me to understand as when he first entered. But I don't really think they're fake.

Like, at most I don't see how Zoomie is significantly worse than Geraintm, to me it feels like at worst they'd be on the same level.

Also,

Also, you said you wanted to re-evaluate Geraintm, what do you think about him right now? And the rest of those other people you were suspecting, I want to hear your thoughts on them.

Pedit, let me post, darn it!

[Flavor Leaf]

NaCl is good at putting Zoomie reasons into words than I am. I don’t have the early game thing he does, but I feel I’ve been on the same page as NaCl. We even both thought one scum was in Uncrowned/Duck at one point. I said it before I even realized they did

[Uncrowned]

Second scum to me almost HAS to be someone that wasn't on the Arkias wagon which was LDog, Me, TW & Zoomie in that order.

NaCl is TPR, he's ruled out.

Assuming I'm right on Zoomie, which I think I am, that rules out FL slot since Zoomie didn't have reason to bus imo, especially bc it was fast wagon.

Leaves Gerain, Alex and Creature. Out of those, my order from townie to least townie would be: Alex > Creature > Gerain

NaCl im waiting until im on PC to elaborate on gerain. Been doing this all on my phone smh

[Alexcellent]

Alexcellent, do you think that scum was on your wagon earlier (Well, Thomth's wagon)?

Maybs, of that wagon I felt the worst about Ldog. But Ldog's more recent posts feel less scummy to me? Arkias slot still possible scum but FL is doing a solid job so that's affecting my read a bit.

[Uncrowned]

I'm going to make an honest attempt at reevaluating Zoomie when I'm back on my PC in a bit. I just can't help but feel he's scum, but FL is right on the fact that if he's town, I'm wasting a lot of time rn.

[NaCl]

@Uncrowned
Wait, if you think Zoomie is scum, why does the second scum have to be off-wagon? Why couldn't Ldog or TW be the other scum?

@Alexcellent
Yeah, I'm feeling the same way about Ldog.

[Flavor Leaf]

Y’all getting me paranoid that LDawg was trying to pocket me with trying to be friends with me irl.

[Flavor Leaf]

LDawg, we’re buds, right? You aren’t just pocketing me?

[NaCl]

I’m actually not opposed to a JK being on you, NaCL. You could act as an IC in that way.

JK, if you exist, 50/50 on protecting NaCL or not. WIFOM the scum team. You can wiggle away and try to catch a block, though, too

Also, in case it's unclear for any jailkeeper, the reason I said not to protect me if we get scum today is because you become more like a cop. That way I will die, but you will get someone cleared as an innocent, and it will prevent them from randomly shooting to try and get you. It's better if I die and a murkier slot gets cleared.

Then the next day you can claim and declare your target for the following night to get a second townclear.

[Alexcellent]

I'm kind of leaning towards Zoomie as being a better lynch info-wise at the mo

If Zoomie flips scum; think that makes Uncrowned very likely to be town and it makes FL likely scum.
If Zoomie flips town; think that makes Uncrowned likely to be scum. Also makes FL strong town. Probably lowers my read on TW.
If Uncrowned flips scum; makes FL and Zoomie appear strongly as town.
If Uncrowned flips town; maybe makes FL look bad but doesn't really give the same read. Could still see Zoomie as being newbtown and could see FL being wrong town.

[the worst]

Ya an Uncrowned scum flip would be golden but uncrowned midlynch would suck. I'm kinda fine just lynching zoomie I think

[Flavor Leaf]

Like I said, Alex is my secondary scum read.

Uncrowned-Alex
Gera-Alex
TW-Alex
Loser-Alex

I think all of those make sense.

I didn’t put Creature anywhere because he hasn’t posted since I’ve shown up