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I'm kind of leaning towards Zoomie as being a better lynch info-wise at the mo

If Zoomie flips scum; think that makes Uncrowned very likely to be town and it makes FL likely scum.
If Zoomie flips town; think that makes Uncrowned likely to be scum. Also makes FL strong town. Probably lowers my read on TW.
If Uncrowned flips scum; makes FL and Zoomie appear strongly as town.
If Uncrowned flips town; maybe makes FL look bad but doesn't really give the same read. Could still see Zoomie as being newbtown and could see FL being wrong town.

Ya an Uncrowned scum flip would be golden but uncrowned midlynch would suck. I'm kinda fine just lynching zoomie I think

Ugggggghhhhh

Y’all are the damn scum team.

[the worst]

......lol

FL my love do you see why I'm really not comfortable with you here?

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NaCL/Zoomie/Loser are my town reads. I understand I may have a blindspot for Loser, but I felt genuineness from his posts towards me.

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Ducky, Alex, Gera, Uncrowned have 2 scum in them.

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......lol

FL my love do you see why I'm really not comfortable with you here?

Because Inopened up with one of you and Uncrowned having to be scum, and I’ve been with that all the game.

I also find it incredibly convenient that you showed up right after Uncrowned and I started to work it out a little bit

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I'm kind of leaning towards Zoomie as being a better lynch info-wise at the mo

If Zoomie flips scum; think that makes Uncrowned very likely to be town and it makes FL likely scum.
If Zoomie flips town; think that makes Uncrowned likely to be scum. Also makes FL strong town. Probably lowers my read on TW.
If Uncrowned flips scum; makes FL and Zoomie appear strongly as town.
If Uncrowned flips town; maybe makes FL look bad but doesn't really give the same read. Could still see Zoomie as being newbtown and could see FL being wrong town.

I repeat

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

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I think you know me well enough to know that I just post whenever I'm here and in the mood. You're powerdriving literally any agenda you can which doesn't involve the main wagons when you replaced in - like a solving mind doesn't look at myself and Alexc having a similar gamestate read and go "waoaooaahhh it's the scumteam!!"

I know it's wifomy but if we're the scums and real desperate to mid lynch zoomie over mislynching uncrowned why would we openly play an agenda so sloppily...? you're looking at stuff that's objectively low team equity and screaming that it can't be trusted and I'm not sure why you're overplaying so hard if you're town

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I think you know me well enough to know that I just post whenever I'm here and in the mood. You're powerdriving literally any agenda you can which doesn't involve the main wagons when you replaced in - like a solving mind doesn't look at myself and Alexc having a similar gamestate read and go "waoaooaahhh it's the scumteam!!"

I know it's wifomy but if we're the scums and real desperate to mid lynch zoomie over mislynching uncrowned why would we openly play an agenda so sloppily...? you're looking at stuff that's objectively low team equity and screaming that it can't be trusted and I'm not sure why you're overplaying so hard if you're town

I just had a good town game, I’m trying to have another. I’ve been getting mislynched a lot lately, and I went 2 years without being town mislynched so it feels bad.

You’re right, maybe I just got played by Uncrowned.

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I think Zoomie is the best mislynch that’s on the table right now tbh. It sets up a scenario where if Uncrowned is scum, he can brush it off easily, if Uncrowned is town, he gets setup for a mislynch, and I can get pushed for “knowing Zoomie was town” even though I’m just good at reads.

[NaCl]

if Uncrowned is scum, he can brush it off easily, if Uncrowned is town, he gets setup for a mislynch

Why would Uncrowned be able to get away with it if he's scum and not get away with it if he's town?

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So from my point of view, scum are setting the gamestate up to take out Zoomie, then they get a night kill to help shape the game in their favor.

Skitter said in that last game “i wouldn’t try to mislynch you as scum, I’d just kill you” and that’s by far the superior method in these games to taking out high priority targets.

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if Uncrowned is scum, he can brush it off easily, if Uncrowned is town, he gets setup for a mislynch

Why would Uncrowned be able to get away with it if he's scum and not get away with it if he's town?

Because scum he gets a night kill.

Idk. I’m frying myself trying to find scum here. I probably should take a break.

But I feel Zoomie gets mislynched then I just die tonight, and effectively the game is reset in scum’s favor.

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Your town game is a lot more considered than your scum game (which I also have a lot of respect for - but you know you play big). This shit doesn't look like your town game at all. And I don't really buy that you think replacing in and trying to steer lynches this way is a good town play.

Consider uncrowned - lot of readable content, surface level townie, kinda hard to get right d1 but this is gonna be a much easier read after a couple of flips. he just isn't scummy unless you're coming in with an applied read.

Zoomie posts fluidly enough but there's no solving or original thought; like all of his reads are just echoes of someone else's. he has myself and Uncrowned down as his strongest townreads which is exactly the equivalent of just throwing a townread to two vocal players who look like they're trying to solve the game.

TW/Uncrown
AlexC/NaCl
Ldog
Ark/Gerain
None

Lowest reads are your slot (pred was kinda just really elusive) and gerain (pretty minimal input so far) who just have no presence at all - on your repin he likes you, is still voting gerain, and hasn't reevaluated you hard scumreading one of his biggest townreads

I swear zoomie is legit scummy and if you're sincerely considering scumcrowned I'm not sure how you're missing zoomie's partner equity to uncrowned off the readlist/rxn to your repim

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Sold VOTE: Zoomie that's L-2

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I think Zoomie is the best mislynch that’s on the table right now tbh. It sets up a scenario where if Uncrowned is scum, he can brush it off easily, if Uncrowned is town, he gets setup for a mislynch, and I can get pushed for “knowing Zoomie was town” even though I’m just good at reads.

I think this is a dialogue that happens in earnest AFTER zoomie's flip

I'd kinda be interested in lynching you aorn but holistically the idea of lynching you d1 doesn't feel all that wise

[NaCl]

@FL
If you want to re-evaluate after your break's over, I'd look at Alexcellent. And make sure you also read Thomth's posts, in case you weren't paying as much attention to those. Because between both of them, that slot is one of my stronger townreads.

@TW
Good point on how Zoomie isn't re-evaluating on Uncrowned, that's true. But I don't see how townreading people who are vocal is scummy as opposed to newbie.

[NaCl]

Actually, I take back what I said earlier about Zoomie's partner getting them to act more town. Because I feel like there's been a fair few slots that got replaced or have been inactive and that could affect it.

[Alexcellent]

if Uncrowned is scum, he can brush it off easily, if Uncrowned is town, he gets setup for a mislynch

Why would Uncrowned be able to get away with it if he's scum and not get away with it if he's town?

Because scum he gets a night kill.

Idk. I’m frying myself trying to find scum here. I probably should take a break.

But I feel Zoomie gets mislynched then I just die tonight, and effectively the game is reset in scum’s favor.

In this scenario I don't see how Uncrowned comes across as anything but scumlord prime

Inb4 Sith dealing in absolutes

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Posting a lot and townreading vocal townies without having original thoughts is definitely a tell of newbscum trying to fit in. I do think him not reevaluating reads post-FL is more concerning but geeeenerally speaking im more anxious about FL's townread there than anything else

[NaCl]

I don't really think that Zoomie is very scummy, but I agree with Alexcellent saying it would give the most information.

[the worst]

Sigh
yeah he's positioning and trying to manipulate nightkill analysis
it's still not outside of his townrange

[the worst]

ngl I kinda think fl is scummy regardless of how zoomie flips

[NaCl]

I don't think FL would be scum if Zoomie flips scum, just because of the speed of the Arkias wagon.

[the worst]

ok yeah that's a good takeaway

[NaCl]

If Zoomie is newbscum, I don't see him quickly voting Arkias without thinking about it and without having the time to consult with his partner.

[the worst]

holding vote then L-1 on his scumbuddy would be kinda abstract for scum!Zoomie mindset

I wonder if we can just do this
VOTE: FL