Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[Micc]

Votecount 1.09

Hectic (5) -

Pine, pisskop, Nancy Drew 39, DrDolittle, OkaPoka

popsofctown (2) -

Amrun, Titus

Pine (1) -

Hectic

DrDolittle (1) -

bob3141

Titus (1) -

Elsa Jay

OkaPoka (1) -

Krazy

Eddie Cane (1) -

popsofctown

Not Voting (3) -

Something_Smart, NaCl, Eddie Cane

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

[NaCl]

Nancy you always have an expectation of people treating you as obvtown and I'm hoping that if even your teammates can't explain why you are obvtown you will stop beating our heads over not locking you town.

Idk what to say nacl if you don't like what I've had to say then unlucky

Fine. VOTE: Okapoka Farkran says your posting doesn't have any depth to it ( mostly agree) and whenever I try and get a better grip on your thought process you clearly don't want to help me with that.

@NACL why aren't you voting? Too salty? (Sorry couldn't resist the pun.)

See my previous response to Krazy, same thing.

this is very good actually

i want

<elsa,nacl,ddl,bob,amrun> to take sides and comment on this

Okay, so pops vs Eddie, I don't think outing the neighborhood makes Eddie scum. Like, I get that Eddie can do it if he's careless scum but pops' argument doesn't make sense since he can also do it if he's annoyed town and I don't see why pops is reading into it in that way. It feels forced.
I initially liked pops for her earlier play because it didn't feel like it was scum-her and I think I actually know how she is as scum, unlike most people here. But the vote on Eddie feels like a reach.


Regarding the Hectic wagon, I'm not super opposed to it, but I disagree with the reasoning behind it. Mostly for Nancy's issue. Because from what I'm reading from Hectic's posts, he doesn't seem to understand the issue with the question he was asking. Nancy, do you think he's faking that he doesn't understand? I think it would be easier for scum to just say, "oops, I didn't realize" and then stop pushing on it instead of continuing to try talking to you.

[OkaPoka]

you don't think hectic's most recent posts are shit?

[Pine]

{Nancy, bob}
{pisskop, Titus, Hectic, Oka}
{Pine}
{Eddie, Elsa, Amrun, NaCl, Krazy} - null
{pops, DDL}

Town to scum or scum to town?

Labels, people, ffs

You ask for clarification on teh order of his read list. But what do you think of his reads and if you disagree on the placement of players. And why do you feel that way?

I've already given my reads - they are pretty much the opposite of his. I've explained myself as thoroughly as early game hunches can be.

I feel like if somebody coded a robot to play mafia it would sound like Bob

Mafia would be a great tool for the Turing test.

town block

Town blocs fail because people call attention to them. Town blocs form naturally, with an unspoken understanding between the players. You dont vote for a town bloc. They just -are-

See, posts like this are why I'm feeling pisskop Town in spite of my team disagreeing. There's just no +EV to this kind of infrastructural work as scum.

[pisskop]

Wait, who can make a valid case for scum!kop?

[pisskop]

lol id love to hear it.

[pisskop]

shite. thats a good team too.

Equally likely that kuribo or mastina is saying this

[Pine]

Nancy you always have an expectation of people treating you as obvtown and I'm hoping that if even your teammates can't explain why you are obvtown you will stop beating our heads over not locking you town.

Idk what to say nacl if you don't like what I've had to say then unlucky

Fine. VOTE: Okapoka Farkran says your posting doesn't have any depth to it ( mostly agree) and whenever I try and get a better grip on your thought process you clearly don't want to help me with that.

@NACL why aren't you voting? Too salty? (Sorry couldn't resist the pun.)

See my previous response to Krazy, same thing.

this is very good actually

i want

<elsa,nacl,ddl,bob,amrun> to take sides and comment on this

Okay, so pops vs Eddie, I don't think outing the neighborhood makes Eddie scum. Like, I get that Eddie can do it if he's careless scum but pops' argument doesn't make sense since he can also do it if he's annoyed town and I don't see why pops is reading into it in that way. It feels forced.
I initially liked pops for her earlier play because it didn't feel like it was scum-her and I think I actually know how she is as scum, unlike most people here. But the vote on Eddie feels like a reach.


Regarding the Hectic wagon, I'm not super opposed to it, but I disagree with the reasoning behind it. Mostly for Nancy's issue. Because from what I'm reading from Hectic's posts, he doesn't seem to understand the issue with the question he was asking. Nancy, do you think he's faking that he doesn't understand? I think it would be easier for scum to just say, "oops, I didn't realize" and then stop pushing on it instead of continuing to try talking to you.

This whoooole post sets off alarms. Salt is undermining a near-universally Townread player while weakly affirming the wagon (that that player) is on. There's a whole lot of unnatural solviness (yes I just made up a word) there. "I don't disagree with your vote, but let me now try to build a case against one of the people on that wagon" is a classic scum misdirect-while-hedging play.

[Pine]

shite. thats a good team too.

Equally likely that kuribo or mastina is saying this

Xtoxm and Mastina both say you're scum. I don't agree. Kuribo is dealing with some health issues, he doesn't have time to read this game for right now.

[pisskop]

NaCl has fallen from my list of TRs. Did so a while ago.

P:


MASTINA YOU JERKOFFAGUS

[pisskop]

Im being deliberate in my play. Which is somewhat contrarian to my standard townplay. But my scumgame is not defined by deliberateness.

[Pine]

Oh my damn, I was wrong, it's just Xtoxm. He just said so twice while Mastina was posting about Pops!Town (which I

do

agree with). Essentially his case amounts to a meta kop's-not-playing-his-Towngame argument.

[popsofctown]

I feel like pk is town here and have a pretty good track record reading him

[popsofctown]

Moreso than OkaPoka I think I'd be able to go through his posts and lay it out for you

I don't think I have the nightkill equity where I need to worry about putting that on record, at this point.

Can I post it in our neighborhood?
I can make all the neighborhood jokes I want now I guess

[pisskop]

id sure be interested in why you feel you can read me.

self meta sucks because you can never see everything

[popsofctown]

To be clear it is - I have a generic townread on pisskop this game + - looking back at my record I'm like 3/4 reading pisskop well or something like that (never as scum to be fair)

not -I am this pisskop metareader and this is pisskop townmeta

[popsofctown]

no, correction, one of the times was scum

it was an open alt, makes the mental file cabinet tricky

[pisskop]

meh.

my alts never seem as successful as the original, open or otherwise

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy you do realize if pine is scum he can you know

???

Can what?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, I have been a little unhappy irl recently. I try not to let real life affect my emotions here, but maybe it leaked into my interaction with you? I'm not sure how though because I was just trying to stay level headed and reasonable. My lack of engagement before was because I hadn't read the game until yesterday.
But since you've somehow gauged that and are scumreading me for it, please don't. I'm not asking you to townread me for this, I just want you to consider it NAI. Also, vote Pine with me if you scumread him too.

I've realised I shouldn't force myself to play if I'm feeling down so I'll be back tomorrow after hopefully a good night of sleep.

Why did you make that fake doc post? And yeah, I am definitely considering that as a possibility because it seems like Pine isn’t reading my posts or anything anyone is saying about me. Here’s the thing, both DDL and Pine were in Marked for Death. Pine was my buddy in that and DDL tr me here while Pine is locksr me, so something isn’t adding up.

[Nancy Drew 39]

One more thing, I do agree with pops' reasons for scumreading Eddie. He outed them to prove a point rather than productive reasons, that's a scum mindset where he wants to be correct about everything, but being correct does not equal being town.

Eddie’s post about Ank gives me pause though. Ank would definitely say about Krazy, why is he feeling weird to her. That’s NAI for Krazy but possibly town indicative for Eddie. It’s weak though.

[Pine]

Nancy, I have been a little unhappy irl recently. I try not to let real life affect my emotions here, but maybe it leaked into my interaction with you? I'm not sure how though because I was just trying to stay level headed and reasonable. My lack of engagement before was because I hadn't read the game until yesterday.
But since you've somehow gauged that and are scumreading me for it, please don't. I'm not asking you to townread me for this, I just want you to consider it NAI. Also, vote Pine with me if you scumread him too.

I've realised I shouldn't force myself to play if I'm feeling down so I'll be back tomorrow after hopefully a good night of sleep.

Why did you make that fake doc post? And yeah, I am definitely considering that as a possibility because it seems like Pine isn’t reading my posts or anything anyone is saying about me. Here’s the thing, both DDL and Pine were in Marked for Death. Pine was my buddy in that and DDL tr me here while Pine is locksr me, so something isn’t adding up.

I'm reading everything you post, and I don't lockscum you. There are shades of gray in the world. I don't respond to you because I'm trying to keep my head in the game.

As a matter of fact, I'm coming around to a Hectic + {NaCL, Krazy, Bob} solve right now.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy you always have an expectation of people treating you as obvtown and I'm hoping that if even your teammates can't explain why you are obvtown you will stop beating our heads over not locking you town.

Idk what to say nacl if you don't like what I've had to say then unlucky

Fine. VOTE: Okapoka Farkran says your posting doesn't have any depth to it ( mostly agree) and whenever I try and get a better grip on your thought process you clearly don't want to help me with that.

@NACL why aren't you voting? Too salty? (Sorry couldn't resist the pun.)

See my previous response to Krazy, same thing.

this is very good actually

i want

<elsa,nacl,ddl,bob,amrun> to take sides and comment on this

Okay, so pops vs Eddie, I don't think outing the neighborhood makes Eddie scum. Like, I get that Eddie can do it if he's careless scum but pops' argument doesn't make sense since he can also do it if he's annoyed town and I don't see why pops is reading into it in that way. It feels forced.
I initially liked pops for her earlier play because it didn't feel like it was scum-her and I think I actually know how she is as scum, unlike most people here. But the vote on Eddie feels like a reach.


Regarding the Hectic wagon, I'm not super opposed to it, but I disagree with the reasoning behind it. Mostly for Nancy's issue. Because from what I'm reading from Hectic's posts, he doesn't seem to understand the issue with the question he was asking. Nancy, do you think he's faking that he doesn't understand? I think it would be easier for scum to just say, "oops, I didn't realize" and then stop pushing on it instead of continuing to try talking to you.

It’s definitely possible but that isn’t why I’m voting him but when I tell someone that I’m concerned that answering something could be antitown, I don’t know why they don’t back off either. One thing is clear. Hectic and Pine are never buddies here.

However, why Oka? He is so obviously town. This vote may possibly be town indicative for you however, since there’s pretty much no chance we’re flipping Oka today.

[Nancy Drew 39]

NaCl has fallen from my list of TRs. Did so a while ago.

P:


MASTINA YOU JERKOFFAGUS

Nancy, I have been a little unhappy irl recently. I try not to let real life affect my emotions here, but maybe it leaked into my interaction with you? I'm not sure how though because I was just trying to stay level headed and reasonable. My lack of engagement before was because I hadn't read the game until yesterday.
But since you've somehow gauged that and are scumreading me for it, please don't. I'm not asking you to townread me for this, I just want you to consider it NAI. Also, vote Pine with me if you scumread him too.

I've realised I shouldn't force myself to play if I'm feeling down so I'll be back tomorrow after hopefully a good night of sleep.

Why did you make that fake doc post? And yeah, I am definitely considering that as a possibility because it seems like Pine isn’t reading my posts or anything anyone is saying about me. Here’s the thing, both DDL and Pine were in Marked for Death. Pine was my buddy in that and DDL tr me here while Pine is locksr me, so something isn’t adding up.

I'm reading everything you post, and I don't lockscum you. There are shades of gray in the world. I don't respond to you because I'm trying to keep my head in the game.

As a matter of fact, I'm coming around to a Hectic + {NaCL, Krazy, Bob} solve right now.

I think if Hectic is scum, Bob is most likely to be his partner based on weird early interactions between them.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh my damn, I was wrong, it's just Xtoxm. He just said so twice while Mastina was posting about Pops!Town (which I

do

agree with). Essentially his case amounts to a meta kop's-not-playing-his-Towngame argument.

I agree with this, I really don’t understand the Pops sr at all.