Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[pisskop]

wagons are not the enemy. This eg wagon is providing a plethora of information

[Something_Smart]

But you were also the one who said that the wagon was justified based on the game length.

[Something_Smart]

This eg wagon is providing a plethora of information

Like what?

[Hectic]

Yeah, I probably would be less present if voted less, but people really need to stop associating defensiveness and survivalist nature with being scum, most town don't want to be mislynched just as much as scum don't want to be lynched.

Though, I do have reasons for being less present earlier, because I was V/LA.

[Hectic]

Yeah, I probably would be less present if voted less, but people really need to stop associating defensiveness and survivalist nature with being scum, most town don't want to be mislynched just as much as scum don't want to be lynched.

Though, I do have reasons for being less present earlier, because I was V/LA.

This depends on the player though. I have bad case of acting survivalistic and putting more effort in when people start scumreading me.

[pisskop]

like NDs unvote after i unvoted, your contribution, more elsa talk, wagon comp, etc

and who, if anyone, is the competing wagon

[pisskop]

Yeah, I probably would be less present if voted less, but people really need to stop associating defensiveness and survivalist nature with being scum, most town don't want to be mislynched just as much as scum don't want to be lynched.

Though, I do have reasons for being less present earlier, because I was V/LA.

This depends on the player though. I have bad case of acting survivalistic and putting more effort in when people start scumreading me.

survivalism isn't scummy in itself.

people lack the experience to differentiate between what scum can do and do do.

tbh i find doodles to be a loe hanging fruit rn, and the pine case underwhelming

[Amrun]

The time to 'read as genuine' is when he isn't the focal point. he's done this multiple times so far.

I sr his play here in this game, his reputation for being mislynched notwithstanding

I have felt he’s genuine since he’s been run up. I +1 Pine as a reaction test for myself since I thought Pine’s point was valid, but Hectic’s reaction to THAT felt more genuine than ever.

This is a bad wagon with a bad comp. it stinks.

It was useful for info, sure, but that doesn’t mean it’s where we should flip today. I wanted to wagon Hectic to help me read him, and it did. I now townread him.



Skitter and I have discussed it. Her objections to the wagon are less about Hectic himself and more about the wagon comp. it has received no real opposition and her TR don’t really support it but aren’t against it. She thinks Pine’s 1081 is a “particularly scary bad reaction.” She thinks the wagon in general reads like scum trying to take advantage of a troll on a player known to be memey anyway.

[Amrun]

@Pine: what do you think of Hectic as a scum player? Is he competent?

[Hectic]

like NDs unvote after i unvoted, your contribution, more elsa talk, wagon comp, etc

and who, if anyone, is the competing wagon

Isn't the lack of a competing wagon a bad thing?

Yeah, I probably would be less present if voted less, but people really need to stop associating defensiveness and survivalist nature with being scum, most town don't want to be mislynched just as much as scum don't want to be lynched.

Though, I do have reasons for being less present earlier, because I was V/LA.

This depends on the player though. I have bad case of acting survivalistic and putting more effort in when people start scumreading me.

survivalism isn't scummy in itself.

people lack the experience to differentiate between what scum can do and do do.

tbh i find doodles to be a loe hanging fruit rn, and the pine case underwhelming

Yeah, so why are you scumreading me for suddenly being present when pressured? That's not scum-indicative. And what do you find underwhelming about the Pine case? He's been hardpushing a scum!me agenda without giving good reasons imo, and do you really think town!him would believe I was doc PR fishing with that joke post I had earlier? Nah.

[pisskop]

Isn't the lack of a competing wagon a bad thing?

i chalk it up to site meta being weaker than it should be more than this one game.

Afa pine, i mean aren't i pushing a scum!you agenda?

[Hectic]

Isn't the lack of a competing wagon a bad thing?

i chalk it up to site meta being weaker than it should be more than this one game.

Afa pine, i mean aren't i pushing a scum!you agenda?

You're scumreading me for personality reasons apparently which I guess I can understand, and which half the game seems to be doing, but do you wanna elaborate on that actually? In regards to Pine, he's scumreading me for reasons I doubt he believes to be legitimate, the PR fishing for one. And he put me as a scumread for trolling/memeing, and I think he viewed me as an easy push right from my entrance. Also, thinks I'm being political with my reads list, though I do get that a little more but don't think it's entirely true either. Eh, actually, I can understand the political thing based on scumreading 3/5 people on and townread most off so I'll regard that as NAI.

[Hectic]

@Pine: what do you think of Hectic as a scum player? Is he competent?

I don't have any scum data on this site unfortunately. I have 1 offsite however.

[pisskop]

let's bury that right now.
unless youre claiming doc, youre fake crumbing. agree or no

[pisskop]

@Pine: what do you think of Hectic as a scum player? Is he competent?

I don't have any scum data on this site unfortunately. I have 1 offsite however.

which is why i think you'll flip here.

[Amrun]

@Pine: what do you think of Hectic as a scum player? Is he competent?

I don't have any scum data on this site unfortunately. I have 1 offsite however.

Ok, thanks for that info - Pine, please change my question to what do you think of Hectic as a player in general? Is he competent?

[Amrun]

@Pine: what do you think of Hectic as a scum player? Is he competent?

I don't have any scum data on this site unfortunately. I have 1 offsite however.

which is why i think you'll flip here.

I don’t understand this post.

[Amrun]

let's bury that right now.
unless youre claiming doc, youre fake crumbing. agree or no

Dude he was already outted as a neighbor

[popsofctown]

Watching Hectic get moderator'd and pressured into playing seriously is like watching the sad look on Mr. Incredible's face when he works his desk job after the government bans heroism all these feels

[Hectic]

let's bury that right now.
unless youre claiming doc, youre fake crumbing. agree or no

Dude he was already outted as a neighbor

Exactly. Obviously I can't have been crumbing as doc because I was confirmed neighbour. And Pine's logic in his post was he thinks I was "trying to out a doc into counterclaiming who might not have been paying enough attention to the thread to realise Hectic was outed neighbour"

Town!Pine has to make two bad conclusions to write that:
-Conclude my post wasn't OBVIOUSLY a joke and that a sane player might see that as claiming doc
-Conclude someone doesn't remember I'm an outed neighbour despite Titus and I being neighbours was the focal point of discussion early in the game

[Hectic]

Watching Hectic get moderator'd and pressured into playing seriously is like watching the sad look on Mr. Incredible's face when he works his desk job after the government bans heroism all these feels

FeelsBad
Don't worry, I'm bring 10 new gambits and 2 new gimmicks to the table for day 2. I just don't want to be mislynched day 1.

[Hectic]

Yeah, Hectic is definitely the lynch today. Gut feeling, he's trying to draw out the real Doc.

This is the post. I'm definitely the lynch on that logic@ (I'm gonna give up on finding where the question mark is on my keyboard, my layout switched to German)

[Pine]

@Pine: what do you think of Hectic as a scum player? Is he competent?

I don't have any scum data on this site unfortunately. I have 1 offsite however.

Ok, thanks for that info - Pine, please change my question to what do you think of Hectic as a player in general? Is he competent?

He’s competent enough that I don’t accept memeing in TM2020 from him.

I need to consult with my team, they think I’m out on a limb here and Hectic’s posting this afternoon has been better.

As for the lack of a counterwagon, that isn’t for lack of trying - there have been pushes on several people so far, they just haven’t taken hold.

[Pine]

Votecount 1.11

Hectic (5) -

Pine, DrDolittle, OkaPoka, Titus, Elsa Jay

OkaPoka (2) -

Krazy, NaCl

DrDolittle (1) -

bob3141

popsofctown (1) -

Amrun

Eddie Cane (1) -

popsofctown

Pine (1) -

Hectic

Not Voting (4) -

Something_Smart, Eddie Cane, pisskop, Nancy Drew 39

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

I mean, look at that scummy as fuck wagon on OkaPoka. I maintain that {Krazy, NaCl, Hectic} is an entirely plausible team

[Hectic]

I mean, look at that scummy as fuck wagon on OkaPoka. I maintain that {Krazy, NaCl, Hectic} is an entirely plausible team

Isn't that a little too transparent for a day 1 counterwagon if we were all scum? Also, why would my hypothetical partners push OkaPoka who's been generally town imo and is push harder to actually push?