Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[Amrun]

@Amrun what do you think about my statement on the last day and today that one of you/Mena must be scum?

Idk that I believe one of us MUST be scum... can you remind me of why? I mean obviously I now SR Menalque anyway. But I’m sure of NOTHING

[Amrun]

Alimdia, you too seem to not be fluid enough in your reads and questioning my re-evaluation, which I don’t like. But still slightly different from the way Menalque is doing it.

Amrun, of all players left alive, who do you feel is not really interested in sorting/reevaluation?

Without question, menal/alim/DW

[Amrun]

i don't fucking know

but i don't really wanna go against the shared scumread of our flipped towns :s

This is really fucking annoying. How do I argue against this? It’s still fucking wrong.

[Iconeum]

I DON'T KNOW OK

[Iconeum]

but surely you understand where i'm coming from?

[Amrun]

We all need to ask ourselves who was left alive today, and why.

Are we the mislynch? Or the designated pusher/supporter of the mislynched? If so, who was the target?

Gamma was the target I think, which is harder since he was such an easy one, but to pretend backup plans didn’t exist is silly.

Mine is sooo easy... I was left alive to champion the gamma lynch, and to be a backup mislynch. Datisi was supportive of both of these lynches, so she fits. Menalque seems to fit this bill too, though less well.

Actually the one that stands out in this one is Ico. But alim/DW are just kinda .... there. Which means they’re probably scum.

[Amrun]

but surely you understand where i'm coming from?

Yeah I mean. No hard feelings. I get it.

[Datisi]

Can you two actually talk about the alim TR/SR?

[Iconeum]

We all need to ask ourselves who was left alive today, and why.

Are we the mislynch? Or the designated pusher/supporter of the mislynched? If so, who was the target?

Gamma was the target I think, which is harder since he was such an easy one, but to pretend backup plans didn’t exist is silly.

Mine is sooo easy... I was left alive to champion the gamma lynch, and to be a backup mislynch. Datisi was supportive of both of these lynches, so she fits. Menalque seems to fit this bill too, though less well.

Actually the one that stands out in this one is Ico. But alim/DW are just kinda .... there. Which means they’re probably scum.

This post screams town to me lol

Also been thinking about this, and this is exactly why I think menal is town. He opened the day by softly towning gamma, which is bleh for scum!menal to do.
I know I'm not dead because of the mislynch bait Ico meme, which isn't actually a meme but hard reality i just call it a meme to feel better

[Amrun]

Can you two actually talk about the alim TR/SR?

What about you? You TR alim last I knew. Why?

[Amrun]

We all need to ask ourselves who was left alive today, and why.

Are we the mislynch? Or the designated pusher/supporter of the mislynched? If so, who was the target?

Gamma was the target I think, which is harder since he was such an easy one, but to pretend backup plans didn’t exist is silly.

Mine is sooo easy... I was left alive to champion the gamma lynch, and to be a backup mislynch. Datisi was supportive of both of these lynches, so she fits. Menalque seems to fit this bill too, though less well.

Actually the one that stands out in this one is Ico. But alim/DW are just kinda .... there. Which means they’re probably scum.

This post screams town to me lol

Also been thinking about this, and this is exactly why I think menal is town. He opened the day by softly towning gamma, which is bleh for scum!menal to do.
I know I'm not dead because of the mislynch bait Ico meme, which isn't actually a meme but hard reality i just call it a meme to feel better

With a previous rose claim, I feel like scum could have been going for the town cred thinking they gamma lynch was inevitable. But.... it’s a good point actually. :c

[Datisi]

Yeah, I do. Felt the ISO was of solving, occasional tunneling and trolling, all I know of town!alim.

[Iconeum]

I think if we have like a Datisi/GL/Menalque/alimdia town block, that leaves Gamma/DogWatch/Amrun/S_S/Ico as a scum pool

DogWatch is actually maybe my strongest townread in that latter pool right now. if Gamma is the designated mislynch today then that leaves Amrun/S_S/Ico, which doesn't feel like a horrifically wrong solve

all those assumptions need to be right, but I definitely like that game state view more than simply parking a vote on Gamma

i know this incriminates me as well, but I think it's important to look at why GL was the NK

[Amrun]

A LOT of the NK softly implicated both DW and Datisi. N1 looked especially bad for datisi. That was one of my points in my svumcase for her. But she seems so solvey today gdi

[Amrun]

Yeah, I do. Felt the ISO was of solving, occasional tunneling and trolling, all I know of town!alim.

What does scum alim look like

[Datisi]

He opened the day by softly towning gamma, which is bleh for scum!menal to do.

This is an interesting point. Hm.

[Datisi]

I think there's a good chance GL was shot N2.

[Datisi]

Yeah, I do. Felt the ISO was of solving, occasional tunneling and trolling, all I know of town!alim.

What does scum alim look like

And no idea, I'm just saying those things remind me of Town!him

[Iconeum]

But she seems so solvey today gdi

huh

[Amrun]

But she seems so solvey today gdi

huh

As previously stated, I TR Datisi based off of today.

[Datisi]

Did I not seem solvy the earlier days?

[Amrun]

Yes, depending on the game day? But now we are in a different gamestate and there are others who I don’t feel are genuinely trying to solve, while I think you are.

[Menalque]

Oh I was dyslexic for a minute.

I was trying to get icon to show me why he thinks you’re town, because I want to see what he says, since in that moment I trusted him most as town.

I fucking hate misreading in LyLo. It haunts me. I hate having poor reads in general and this game has just been the shits for me in that regard. That S_S townflip and then texcat slot being the gun really hurt my soul. Of course I would re-evaluate.

Menalque is scummy for saying it’s scummy to re-evaluate in this gamestate, in fact.

Anyone who isn’t re-evaluating like him is probably scum.

err what

I never said this

can you stop misrepping me or are you literally incapable

I said, very explicitly, that the way you reversed on datisi in order to start pushing me wasn't believable

I never said that reversals are scummy in general, and would obviously wasn't going to seeing as I came in doubting my read on gamma slot and I've been going back and forth all day as to whether dats can have hard fooled me all day or not

icon has also done the swing from scum to less scum to moderate scum now that bingle isn't hard town reading me and I don't feel like I'm being gaslighted by everyone talking about him being a beacon of towniness

alim went from fairly town to relatively scummy for me on the basis of icon associations, but if icon

is

town then he's also +town I think? but then that makes it exactly you/DW/dats which is hard to believe esp given the fact that you seem

incredibly

invested in trying to steer the lynch onto DW

and then I think DW is possibly the most town here actually from the way you've been trying to flip things onto her

plus I think you/icon/alim makes more sense as a team than you/dats/DW

[Menalque]

Like I have two choices. Commit to my poor reads in hopes it doesn’t get me lynched since at least I know I am town. OR actually try to ensure our lynch hits scum, even though that’s so difficult with 3 scum left. In order to achieve B, I have to accept that my lease of the game is definitely skewed, so I have to step back and figure out where I went wrong.

Right now I think I went wrong right on day 1, for giving a Menalque an easy townread I didn’t question enough later, and especially for not fighting hard enough for a DogWatch wagon. I let it go in later days for poor reasoning, but when I first voted DogWatch, I really liked that vote, maybe more than any other vote besides S_S and gamma/texcat that I had all game.

I need to double check this again in ISO but if you felt so good about DW!scum why didn't you follow it up more on later days and instead redivert onto ddl + SS only to now bring it back up in lylo?

[Menalque]

bc I think that you were counting on gamma slot as an easy winning mislynch, but had DW as a backup push that you could support by saying "no look, I SR her all game!" despite never wanting to take the heat for pushing her bc you could get behind pushes on town slots that you weren't responsible for and fly utr

for instance, my push on ddl and then GL being the one who made SS happen