Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[RCEnigma]

So it's a thought experiment to explain RCs behavior around Skitter. Not around skitters play specifically. I'm still not following because RC could certainly take this line with Skitter being either alignment.

I really hate that I'm being forced to return to thread because it's devolving and not progressing.

[shos]

I had a negative result and don't think there is any gain from sharing it.
Think that there's a reasonably high probability that scum simply elected not to kill to make sure I couldn't get a guilty before I was lynched today.
(and before someone says that would add credence to my claim, no not really because someone who scumreads me is going to point that out and say it's scum me trying to spew town)

Can someone summarize which claims have been out already?

[RCEnigma]

That's the only one.

[RadiantCowbells]

I wouldn't fight and struggle this hard to keep Town!Skitter alive when I can just as easily fight a moderate amount and let it go through and then blame everyone else for it.

[MathBlade]

I had a negative result and don't think there is any gain from sharing it.
Think that there's a reasonably high probability that scum simply elected not to kill to make sure I couldn't get a guilty before I was lynched today.
(and before someone says that would add credence to my claim, no not really because someone who scumreads me is going to point that out and say it's scum me trying to spew town)

Can someone summarize which claims have been out already?

RC detective claimed d1.
RC 1v1’d TW who flipped town.
RC said they checked Teacher N1 and negative result
N1 no one died.
I have a theory I was the intended NK.
There seem to be posts to support that that I shouldn’t cite for obvious reasons.

That’s it for hard claims.

[RadiantCowbells]

But uh atp if you don't see that I'm town you're wilfully ignoring evidence that I'm town.

[RCEnigma]

Not to mention that spreading the amount of wagons occurring is extremely antitown because now instead of the data being TW/RC/Ari wagon centric and which wagons were counterwagons within those three specifically, now we have plum wagons and Skitter wagons rivalling RC and Ari wagons and it's adding confusion not taking that element away.

This is a bad wagon for so many reasons.

[MathBlade]

So it's a thought experiment to explain RCs behavior around Skitter. Not around skitters play specifically. I'm still not following because RC could certainly take this line with Skitter being either alignment.

I really hate that I'm being forced to return to thread because it's devolving and not progressing.

It’s RC’s actions that prompted me to think RC+Skitter. Namely RC got toxic anytime Skitter scum was mentioned. So by having Skitter post and if she seems townie then it’s a matter of finding what scum!RC would gain or what town!RC gains by doing so.

What I don’t follow is TW votes Skitter RC 1v1s and turns the thread toxic.
Repeat with me and Ari actually votes me.

We disagreed civilly on where to vote before then. It’s only when I voted Skitter he got bad.

That vote pattern needs more focus as to why.

[RCEnigma]

The main reason I'm not pursuing RC now is that I felt he was lining myself and Skitter up to be pushed today and tomorrow. Now I've got to side with RC to make sure you guys aren't lynching town.

And if you don't even intend to lynch Skitter then there is no point in voting there.

[MathBlade]

Not to mention that spreading the amount of wagons occurring is extremely antitown because now instead of the data being TW/RC/Ari wagon centric and which wagons were counterwagons within those three specifically, now we have plum wagons and Skitter wagons rivalling RC and Ari wagons and it's adding confusion not taking that element away.

This is a bad wagon for so many reasons.

I agree that RC and Ari need more focus. That Avenue was stalled. So rather than tunnel I experimented and started hunting if I was wrong.

[MathBlade]

The main reason I'm not pursuing RC now is that I felt he was lining myself and Skitter up to be pushed today and tomorrow. Now I've got to side with RC to make sure you guys aren't lynching town.

And if you don't even intend to lynch Skitter then there is no point in voting there.

That’s the thing. I don’t know.

RC+Skitter is a weird phenomenon.

Multiple people see it not just me.

There’s a lot of possibilities and I can’t hunt because anytime I do RC spams or changes the subject.

This skitter wagon is a huge help to see if Skitter is scum or not.

[MathBlade]

Why do you townread Skitter RCE? I can’t find your answer?

[RCEnigma]

What I don’t follow is TW votes Skitter RC 1v1s and turns the thread toxic.
Repeat with me and Ari actually votes me.

This didn't happen. Not sure if you're intentionally pushing it or you really believe this to be the catalyst. TW pushed Skitter and RC responded with a TW/Skitter team and asked TW to case her beyond a nearly naked vote.

[RCEnigma]

The 1v1 was a result of neither side budging on the mutual scumread. Not Skitter oriented.

[MathBlade]

RadiantCowbells state the thought process that makes you town read skitter so much that the slightest vote sets you on fire

RCE that is what happened. Saud noticed it as well and RC acknowledged its somewhere(can’t find it) and hasn’t corrected that interpretation.

[MathBlade]

Why do you townread Skitter RCE? I can’t find your answer?

Still would like this answer RCE.

[RCEnigma]

Why do you townread Skitter RCE? I can’t find your answer?

None of Skitters play is outside of her scumrange this game. Even the spat with RC day 1 is in her scumrange but the fact it happened is town indicative. Her frustration with the gamestate was townie and even though it's how I was feeling at the time I think she was the first to express it. It would have been easier to lay low there.

In general it's easy to gauge her alignment from just genuine interest/disinterest and shes been invested in this game beyond surface level. Her analysis is able to be replicated as scum but it doesn't lead anywhere and it doesn't hold any drive behind it. Meaning you can easily pick it apart and force scum!Skitter to backtrack. None of that lines up here.

[MathBlade]

As soon as TW pushes Skitter RC scumread TW
As soon as I push Skitter RC scumread me

After both times he shat up the thread.

This is a huge coincidence and if RC is scum a chainsaw

[RCEnigma]

RadiantCowbells state the thought process that makes you town read skitter so much that the slightest vote sets you on fire

RCE that is what happened. Saud noticed it as well and RC acknowledged its somewhere(can’t find it) and hasn’t corrected that interpretation.

It's happened today sure. But I feel just as strongly that this wagon is asinine.

TW voting Skitter day 1 didn't force the RC/TW 1v1 yesterday. So I don't buy that the wagon is to snuff out a pattern that does not exist.

[MathBlade]

Why do you townread Skitter RCE? I can’t find your answer?

None of Skitters play is outside of her scumrange this game. Even the spat with RC day 1 is in her scumrange but the fact it happened is town indicative. Her frustration with the gamestate was townie and even though it's how I was feeling at the time I think she was the first to express it. It would have been easier to lay low there.

In general it's easy to gauge her alignment from just genuine interest/disinterest and shes been invested in this game beyond surface level. Her analysis is able to be replicated as scum but it doesn't lead anywhere and it doesn't hold any drive behind it. Meaning you can easily pick it apart and force scum!Skitter to backtrack. None of that lines up here.

I disagree. Anyone with a best scum award is a hard read as scum. The scum game she won she was very good. Genuine doesn’t always mean town.

And I cited where it did.

You even mentioned after TW voted Skitter RC reflexively put TW as scum. This isn’t hard to see.

I want to be able to read Skitter for myself. And if I see it I will back off.

[RCEnigma]

I've never called Scum!Skitter town and vice versa fwiw.

[RCEnigma]

You even mentioned after TW voted Skitter RC reflexively put TW as scum. This isn’t hard to see.

RC initially scumread TW based on 275 which was reasonable. Then connected the Skitter vote to propose a TW/Skitter team.

X happened and then Y happened. X didn't make Y happen.

[RCEnigma]

You are making me defend RC. Because of this wagon. Do you see how insane that is?!?!?

[MathBlade]

I've never called Scum!Skitter town and vice versa fwiw.

Fwiw that will be taken into account when Skitter catches up.

BBMolla thinks the wagon is good whatever Skitter’s alignment (not sure) so this will tell a lot.

I still don’t understand why you townread Skitter and there’s a lot there that she’s deepwolfing. It’s been on my mind since start of day. Like with all the scummy stuff Skitter is doing, she needs to be here and explain.

[RCEnigma]

4 pages in and my notes say lynch one of plum, math, Skitter, Ari.

Tris and Teacher town. RC is townish.

Page for could have possibly caught 2 scum. I think that's purrdy good.