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[kuribo]

So you've got:

A50 who said "let's not use this" or at least not here
Chenn who voted to use it
Ank who voted to use it

The latter two then say the ability is scummy and should be roleblocked.

But neither of them abstained from using it as far as I can tell: one because I'm voteless, and two because they would have called out whoever cast the non-abstaining vote

Like you're damn right we're roleblocking that shit because it's anti town and we don't have a better use for it. But my point is

we shouldn't have to.

If it's antitown enough for you to ask to be roleblocked, it's antitown enough for y'all to just

not use.[/]

There's a serious disconnect somewhere in that group regarding a town mindset. And I can't tell if it comes from scum or just from people wanting to compulsively masturbate when they get a slight amount of power.

[kuribo]

And you can say oh what if someone in my group is scum, but then... are any of you even claiming to scum read one another? If you're all locktown to each other then why do you even need to ask to be roleblocked?

[Almost50]

If it's antitown enough for you to ask to be roleblocked, it's antitown enough for y'all to just

not use.[/]

I will abstain if chenn & Ank agree to it. On N1 I had to use it because DEB was mine and chenn's choice, while Ank wanted Farkan. If I didn't submit a choice it would have been randomized between the two, and I didn't ant Farkan silenced (well, he did get silenced for good)

[kuribo]

I mean at this point it doesn't matter who abstains and who doesn't going forward because that power is done for


I'm trying to figure out the mindset here

[Firebringer]

Insane Tinfoil:

FB/Nomnom are both scum with MariaR.

u figured it out

:claps:

[Firebringer]

panthaleon + deasvail + nom/fb looks like a promising solve

I'll go over it with my team and get back to it later, I need to sleep soon

I bet none of these are scum.

[Firebringer]

I just want FB/DEB/EP all killed why can't I have nice things

how is murdering people nice things? Who hurt u as a child??!?!?!

[Firebringer]

So you've got:

A50 who said "let's not use this" or at least not here
Chenn who voted to use it
Ank who voted to use it

The latter two then say the ability is scummy and should be roleblocked.

But neither of them abstained from using it as far as I can tell: one because I'm voteless, and two because they would have called out whoever cast the non-abstaining vote

Like you're damn right we're roleblocking that shit because it's anti town and we don't have a better use for it. But my point is

we shouldn't have to.

If it's antitown enough for you to ask to be roleblocked, it's antitown enough for y'all to just

not use.[/]

There's a serious disconnect somewhere in that group regarding a town mindset. And I can't tell if it comes from scum or just from people wanting to compulsively masturbate when they get a slight amount of power.

idk if its a disconnect between a town mindset and them being extremely stupid. I have to agree and anks thoughts that "Ohhh then scum gets to take advantage of it if we don't" is kind of stupid because if none of u use it except scum it kind of outs there is scum in the hood, right?

got to agree with Kuribo for once. Many layers of dumb.

[nomnomnom]

I've seen this thrown around so I'll say this:

It's impossible that both me and FB are scum because that would make our LMS completely broken.

It's still highly possible that FB is scum because our LMS in hands of scum is ridiculously strong, and if I was to get the LMS I wouldn't be able to use it really well.

In any case I REALLY do not recommend lynching me since the chances I get nightkilled are ridiculously high and perhaps the only correct mechanical move is to lynch FB regardless of my DV read, so yeah.

VOTE: FB

[Ankamius]

In any case I REALLY do not recommend lynching me since the chances I get nightkilled are ridiculously high

X

[nomnomnom]

I mean you do what you want, but if FB is scum I am pretty much getting nightkilled every single time here and lynching me is probably making town lose here.

[nomnomnom]

So I guess it's a matter of you townreading FB or not. If you have a good reason to townread the slot by all means present your case to me because this is actually really important and potentially game changing.

[Ankamius]

EC is working on a big post and should have it out sometime during D3, but there's some stuff he wants to get out there now first:

1. Just massclaim, scum probably know most of the setup already and the fact that town has grouped PRs and not individual PRs makes the increased amount of information we get worth the risk. If we had massclaimed before now, our investigative hood would probably have results right now instead of having gotten blocked twice in a row.
2. He'd like to emphasize that this is

team

mafia, and we are not ranked as individuals but

teams

. More than half the games have scumflips now, and the gamestate in general is not optimistic for getting things done. He wants town players to get their team's help and to make this game a priority, but he will also be requesting the help of specific people as well.

@Flavor Leaf

: He wants Jingle and SS' thoughts, but he cares about all three of your teammates' opinions on the game.

@Davesaz

: He wants to ask if Reundo has been keeping caught up since he's dead in his own game, as well as FF's.

@Panthaleon

: He wants to know what Oka is writing in your PT/Discord, he's pretty certain Oka is staying caught up.

@Gammagooey

: Give Hito a hug for him please

@Kuribo

: He wants to ask for Pine's opinions on the game since he's dead in his own. He's interested in Mastina's too.

@Firebringer

: He would like NSG to have more of an impact in the game, even if only to make your slot easy to read

He didn't directly ask me to say this, but the overwhelming stance of my team is that this game is really boring and there's very little to work with, so he understands why there's been less effort put into trying to solve this game. However, this game is

NOT

going to get better if we don't try to brute force it into becoming better. I'm sorry, but we need people to suck it up enough to help push this game forward so that it becomes more easy to work with in later days.

[nomnomnom]

Have you thought that maybe the invest hood got blocked because scums are in both hoods and thus it would be easy to block that hood to get any kind of information?

Blocking Dave makes little to no sense considering that a more pro town move would have been to block the voteless hood.

[nomnomnom]

if we consider this then maybe pant looks extremely bad here

[kuribo]

Blocking Dave makes little to no sense considering that a more pro town move would have been to block the voteless hood.

dave didn't claim his hood not getting any sort of result until Day 3


The voteless hood also did not claim until Day 3 as far as I can tell


Our group sincerely apologizes for not being able to ordain the future

[nomnomnom]

Yes, but why Dave specifically? I still don't understand.

Forget about the voteless hood. I want to know why Dave in particular.

[kuribo]

@Kuribo: He wants to ask for Pine's opinions on the game since he's dead in his own. He's interested in Mastina's too.

I've passed along the request and I'll let you know. Neither of them have mentioned a whole lot about my game since my most recent temper tantrum. I think Pine's a big disappointed in me.

[kuribo]

Yes, but why Dave specifically? I still don't understand.

Forget about the voteless hood. I want to know why Dave in particular.

Maria suggested it. Me and Vex agreed since we were scumreading Dave.

I've literally answered this question.

[Ankamius]

I'm personally interested in mastina's since she generally has a good idea of what kind of info I need to solve with

[Firebringer]

@Firebringer: He would like NSG to have more of an impact in the game, even if only to make your slot easy to read

ummm no. I haven't even talked to her since I joined the team because she has literally not spoken once in our team chat.

[kuribo]

I'm grouped with pant and Maria

Anyway, there you go, dave.

@Panth: Could you please answer why dave? Who in your hood suggested dave first? Where there any other candidates on the table to choose from?

If it's Maria I would not be surprised since she pretty much always scumreads me for stupid reasons. It's so NAI for her that I stopped paying attention to it.
If someone in that hood is scum with the other person in my hood then there you go. A perfectly reasonable looking action given her bias against me, that's probably among the most anti-town actions the game has.

That's hilarious because it actually was maria

Vex and I were both scumreading you day 1 so we said fuck it, we'll vote Dave

Pant replaced in during N2, and the general consensus was that he hadn't read the game so we figured repeating the N1 action was as good as anything having not seen any negative outcome. And with Maria and I both scum reading you anyway.

[nomnomnom]

I need to learn to read.

I don't believe in coincidences, this makes Maria look pretty bad.

[Firebringer]

I've seen this thrown around so I'll say this:

It's impossible that both me and FB are scum because that would make our LMS completely broken.

It's still highly possible that FB is scum because our LMS in hands of scum is ridiculously strong, and if I was to get the LMS I wouldn't be able to use it really well.

In any case I REALLY do not recommend lynching me since the chances I get nightkilled are ridiculously high and perhaps the only correct mechanical move is to lynch FB regardless of my DV read, so yeah.

VOTE: FB

is it sad or hilarious I still don't know what our hood ability really is or care? nor do I know what my role really is beyond town.

[kuribo]

I need to learn to read.

I don't believe in coincidences, this makes Maria look pretty bad.

How dare anyone not know on day 1 that Dave would claim on day 3 to be part of an investigative group


The nerve