Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[MathBlade]

Nothing changed because this wasn't scumreads. All those slots were lurksauce D1 and I have been slowly accumulating townreads. Now I'm at the point where I just have a PoE pool with mutual associatives and I want them dead.

I am in a similar boat.

Just I don’t think our reads are lining up is the problem.

[RadiantCowbells]

If my townblock is wrong

It's wrong bc my Flopz read was lazy
Or because Skitter is scum

If it's the former, shrug, I'm over it.
If the latter, again, I'm over it.

[RadiantCowbells]

If it was up to me we would lynch Tris/Saudade.

But I don't think it's up to me so I'm just trying to win against all the scumteams I can reasonably win against all of which include PlumShos as well.

If I was gonna carry this town D1 had to be different.

[MathBlade]

If it was up to me we would lynch Tris/Saudade.

But I don't think it's up to me so I'm just trying to win against all the scumteams I can reasonably win against all of which include PlumShos as well.

If I was gonna carry this town D1 had to be different.

They are in my town block though and Ari’s

Can you explain why you scumread them?

[RadiantCowbells]

Are you just gonna call my reasons bad?

[MathBlade]

Are you just gonna call my reasons bad?

I haven’t heard them. I need reasons to judge before an opinion can be formed.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean you called my reasons to townread Skitter bad then you ended up agreeing, and you just called me a town beard, so you've done a disproportional amount of calling my reads bad but sure I'll roll the dice one more time.

[RadiantCowbells]

Simply put there's a complete lack of reasons to townread him moreso than reasons to scumread him + I don't think a townie ever makes 5329 even Saudade, it's pure exaggeration. His entire shtick has felt weirdly exaggerated in a self aware way as well but I'm not sure how.to.explain it. He's also taken a lot.of LAMISt stances that are not very Saudade + both himself and his.predecessor hard defended.the unholy crud out of Plumshos

[MathBlade]

once you flip scum im going to add you on skype and laugh at you in voice call

If you mean this post, it feels along the same tone as the rest of his posts. A lot of his posts are that way. What makes you say this wouldn’t come from town? I think he reads arrogant but town.

I have defended Plum/shos. I am not scum.

Like Saud’s tone is townie based on the wall from Ari.

If you’re town look at how fast the wagon collapsed after you unvoted. Don’t you find that odd? There were player(s) with intent and all of it aborted. What do you make of that?

[RadiantCowbells]

If you’re town look at how fast the wagon collapsed after you unvoted. Don’t you find that odd? There were player(s) with intent and all of it aborted. What do you make of that?

I think that Teacher's entire segment around this wagon was extremely uncomfortable and could indicate him being scum with Shos.
I don't have a lot else to say about it besides that there were only 3 unvotes, I'm not allowed to question RCE bc Skitter townreads him, I know the explanation for my vote, and Teacher's unvote was in fact weird.

[RadiantCowbells]

Thing is you're going to disagree with all of this and I don't think that I got through to you at all on saudade and I doubt this is going to make it through to you either?
There's a reason that I see the only path to victory being the intersection of {Skitter is town && Skitter has correct reads} because I can support her and make her scumreads get lynched but I can't push my own individually or convince town on anything

[MathBlade]

Thing is you're going to disagree with all of this and I don't think that I got through to you at all on saudade and I doubt this is going to make it through to you either?
There's a reason that I see the only path to victory being the intersection of {Skitter is town && Skitter has correct reads} because I can support her and make her scumreads get lynched but I can't push my own individually or convince town on anything

This isn’t a “you” game though

Just as this isn’t a “me” game even as IC.

I do think you’re scum with Skitter but hearing reads helps the thoughts enter and sit and permeate if I am wrong.

Titus also thinks you’re scum and has meta to that effect. I was originally siding with Molla and doing Ari and maybe you’re scum maybe not at the reach out at start of day.

I’ve really been trying RC. I hope some day you can see that.

[RadiantCowbells]

Which again is why I'm really confused why people see me/Skitter as SvS, it makes a ton more sense for us to be SvT no matter how you slice it.
If I'm scum I'm setting her up to take the fall for a mislynch, if she's scum she's setting me up as tomorrow's mislynch while she pushes a mislynch
If we're both scum what exactly is the purpose in associating ourselves in people's minds and tying her to my already dead slot? if my job was to clear duck for her her job should then be to take the towncred for my lynch

Titus also thinks you’re scum and has meta to that effect.

If Titus's comparison standard is Gameshow, she should also remember I said repeatedly both during and after the game that it was completely and entirely NAI and I'd have done it as town.
This is me doing it as town.

[Aristophanes]

I might nope out of the thread for the night. Hope you two can kiss and make up at some point.

Looking forward to others chiming in, as previously noted.

GL HF

[RadiantCowbells]

And, uh, remind her that she wasted coalitions for town and led enough of the lynches that I never got burden of proficiencied. And during the game, what did I do? I sat back and let her do it.
Like I literally sum up my meta for this year as "WAAAH OMG U GUYS ARE PUSHING MISLYNCHES IM SO MAD. I AM SO MAD!! I AM SO MAD THAT I AM JUST GONNA LET YOU PUSH THIS MISLYNCH BECAUSE OMG IM JUST SO MAD"

Regardless of who my scumteam is unless it's literally RC/Ari/Skitter I had some option to let you push a mislynch and take the fall for it. I put a very immediate stop to it, every time.
If I'm scum, I need you pushing mislynches so that I'm not pushing mislynches and getting them held against me. I am not letting you push mislynches.
I know exactly how you operate and I would have no difficulty being locktown from you if I were scum.

I might nope out of the thread for the night. Hope you two can kiss and make up at some point.

Looking forward to others chiming in, as previously noted.

GL HF

This is literally the least toxic back and forth we've had this entire game, so...

[MathBlade]

Which again is why I'm really confused why people see me/Skitter as SvS, it makes a ton more sense for us to be SvT no matter how you slice it.
If I'm scum I'm setting her up to take the fall for a mislynch, if she's scum she's setting me up as tomorrow's mislynch while she pushes a mislynch
If we're both scum what exactly is the purpose in associating ourselves in people's minds and tying her to my already dead slot? if my job was to clear duck for her her job should then be to take the towncred for my lynch

Titus also thinks you’re scum and has meta to that effect.

If Titus's comparison standard is Gameshow, she should also remember I said repeatedly both during and after the game that it was completely and entirely NAI and I'd have done it as town.
This is me doing it as town.

I with some of that and I think that explains her opening. 3198 was hella shade if you’re town.

Mainly if you think Skitter is TvS or SvT in any world why aren’t you voting Skitter? And instead sheeping her? Why is she in your townreads? Because you’re acting as if it’s TvT which is not possible to you.

[MathBlade]

I might nope out of the thread for the night. Hope you two can kiss and make up at some point.

Looking forward to others chiming in, as previously noted.

GL HF

Tryin but I am straight.

Will settle for a bro hang or seeing if we can be civil.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I only went after Titus in that game right at the end of the game when she had outlived her usefulness. I acted like I was mad but let her make all the mistakes that I couldn't afford to.

Mainly if you think Skitter is TvS or SvT in any world why aren’t you voting Skitter? And instead sheeping her? Why is she in your townreads? Because you’re acting as if it’s TvT which is not possible to you.

Oh, I think we can easily be TvT. My point is specifically that SvS doesn't make sense. And that's a more important case to prove because everyone's going to default to scumreading me in the pair of us if we're agreed to be non-SvS and that lets us have a town leader who isn't pushing a bunch of reads that I don't agree with.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also there's a huge difference between Gameshow me waving my dick around and not really doing much with it on most day phases because I didn't actually want to be responsible for leading lynches
and town me who brings up competency only when I think it's relevant as opposed to as an attempt to townspew by coming across as obnoxious but town a la saudade.

[Aristophanes]

I might nope out of the thread for the night. Hope you two can kiss and make up at some point.

Looking forward to others chiming in, as previously noted.

GL HF

This is literally the least toxic back and forth we've had this entire game, so...

And I really appreciate that! I hope yall keep it up! I just am having little to input and it's been almost 4 pages of just the three of us posting so I don't see the point in being here.

Thanks for being cordial guys <3 <3

I might nope out of the thread for the night. Hope you two can kiss and make up at some point.

Looking forward to others chiming in, as previously noted.

GL HF

Tryin but I am straight.

Will settle for a bro hang or seeing if we can be civil.

Would accept, hope it works out

[RadiantCowbells]

And before Titus brags about being the only person to scumread me in Gameshow: yes it is true at some point she ended up scumreading me. After I wasted our clear on her and our venge on Maria.
When I already had to kill her I stopped playing around her and just started shutting her up because I knew she was going to get paranoid of me at that stage in the game and all I had to do was point back to her play in that game, especially the second coalition which she completely wasted (most of my scum thought process was trying to come up with a good way around it until she proposed literally throwing it in the toilet).

There's literally no comparison between that and me going after someone whom I don't know as town is cleared but whom I would know as scum is cleared.
The only player in that game who I was ever worried about was MariaR and I said that in scum chat. Besides for the whole confirmed townies giving reads in endgame thing, but I couldn't predict that.
I also couldn't predict the mod totally fucking the scumteam by not letting us use the person we groomed and giving town another shot at it??

[MathBlade]

Also there's a huge difference between Gameshow me waving my dick around and not really doing much with it on most day phases because I didn't actually want to be responsible for leading lynches
and town me who brings up competency only when I think it's relevant as opposed to as an attempt to townspew by coming across as obnoxious but town a la saudade.

The latter is very much how you come across to me. Especially on the shos wagon. If you take control and restrict others movement in a mafia game you have to be that level of sure. To the point you’d be willing to die for it. Because no other reads get generated. You very much come off as avoiding responsibility this game whatever your intent is.

Are you sure enough on Saudade that you’d be willing to risk that? Because right now no one agrees with you and multiple people agree you’re scum. None of whom except Saude you scumread.

If you are that sure you should say you’re willing to be BoP’d on it. If not then you need to poke around Saude and ask Saude questions so that way you can have your read get stronger or he is forced to spew either town or scum.

That one post from Skitter where she didn’t vote me for the shos wagon feels so completely fake and wrong. I have a hard time seeing that from a town!Skitter.

[MathBlade]

i think he's kinda easy to read when he gets into a semi-serious phase and i kinda don't want to dismantle the shos wagon and i sr math more

but part of the math read was kinda like ~teamreading him with ico~ but if he thought ico protected him and thought ico was signaling him to that effect that probably explains some of the weirdness there
and that would be a weird thing to do as partners, i think

i'm a little scared that if i unvote shos we'll have let him get off for the team catchup thing and that rebuilding that will be devilishly hard
like i'm not sure how it just kinda collapsed ?

Specifically this one here.

Skitter says they scumread me more after the protective claim but is acting like they want Shos more. This is very odd. She didn’t go into why and shaded her own thoughts just a bit later.

It’s reaaaaally bad.

[MathBlade]

And before Titus brags about being the only person to scumread me in Gameshow: yes it is true at some point she ended up scumreading me. After I wasted our clear on her and our venge on Maria.
When I already had to kill her I stopped playing around her and just started shutting her up because I knew she was going to get paranoid of me at that stage in the game and all I had to do was point back to her play in that game, especially the second coalition which she completely wasted (most of my scum thought process was trying to come up with a good way around it until she proposed literally throwing it in the toilet).

There's literally no comparison between that and me going after someone whom I don't know as town is cleared but whom I would know as scum is cleared.
The only player in that game who I was ever worried about was MariaR and I said that in scum chat. Besides for the whole confirmed townies giving reads in endgame thing, but I couldn't predict that.
I also couldn't predict the mod totally fucking the scumteam by not letting us use the person we groomed and giving town another shot at it??

She didn’t say the game lol she had to go do lawyer shit so okay I guess? She just said she had meta

[RadiantCowbells]

And for context since a lot of people are worshipping Cancel Food and acting like I'd be scared of them as scum and *have* to remove them
I kept both Ankamius and Eddie Cane around in Gameshow (MASSIVELY townsided setup) as midgame mislynches. I was never frightened of either in the context of a game as scum Neither of them have the tools to deal with me. I have lynched Ankamius in lylo as scum 3 times now to the point it's sort of a thing that I just do holding her around to lynch in LyLo for meme value and I wouldn't have abandoned that in this game.

To actually concern me you need to be able to have a strong record of correctly townreading me as town so that your scumread on me actually makes people care about it.
No one cared about Duck's read on me after he died because no one on that team actually has a good record reading me.

MariaR scared me in gameshow because she townreads me like a very solid amount of the time that I'm town and her read on me is therefore going to matter to people and mislynching her as town if she really doesn't want to get mislynched is an actual exercise in impossibility. NSG scared me in Access Point because she can correctly read me as town, can gather enough velocity to lead a lynch on me as scum, and also for the unique reason that I can't play my normal scumgame around her because she'll know instantly if I'm scum if I don't engage with her in the right way, which also forces me to cede control to her as town leader because she would know I'm scum instantly if I was trying to hard drive a scum lynch that she was super anti unless I faked a rage push and I just don't have the energy to pretend to be mad all the time.

Responding to your posts now