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[davesaz]

You have classic “scum caught for what they think are the wrong reasons”

This is about Maria right? Yes, I get that reading her posts on these pages.

[davesaz]

fucking wild that I call out FL and he suddenly is all over the thread calling the game PoEd out when he hasn't done anything all day

I haven't been engaged enough to know if this is true. It's interesting if it is, though I also know from <redacted> that being "absent" for FL is RL indicative right now.

[davesaz]

[...]It's annoying, because one of you are probably town cause 2 scum in a doctor hood makes no sense. I want to find who that is but when neither of you are giving me much to work with it's kinda hard.

ANY scum in the doctor hood makes no sense. Our LMS is also terrible for scum.

It's honestly one of the only hoods in this game in which having scum in it breaks the role.

It bears mention that ensuring roles / LMS are

not

used is one of the potential functions for scum to be in a hood to begin with.

[davesaz]

Bottom of 190 -- ah, so some of these pages are FL arguing about how good he is. Skim mode it is...

[davesaz]

I figured anyone from the inventor hood after night 1 would've said 'hey guys don't block our hood' (because they're told when it fails/roleblocked) I assumed since no one from the inventor hood said anything it was perfectly safe to block them again.

One time could just be an accident, and lacking knowledge of what interfered in the role it was better to stay hidden than it was to move the massclaim a day earlier.

[davesaz]

I'm giving you enough credit to assume you would know that blocking the same hood twice in a row is a bad idea. The first block on the inventor hood could be coincidence. The second was intentional.

I brought it up night 1
I was not the one who made the suggestion to do the same night 2. However, I was fine with it considering you know. I figured anyone from the inventor hood after night 1 would've said 'hey guys don't block our hood' (because they're told when it fails/roleblocked) I assumed since no one from the inventor hood said anything it was perfectly safe to block them again.

So let me get this straight.

You repeatedly criticized my post of outing hoods *distribution* (again, not powers) because you thought it was bad and gave too much information.

And you are now blaming the inventor hood for not full outing on D2 because their action didn't work?

Wow.

Wanted to succinctly reply to the original post before also commenting on this one.
Furthermore the person who eventually did out the information argued against distribution information right from the start. Remember that big discussion I had d1 on this topic? I'd be interested to know which side Maria was on d1, or if a position was even stated.

[davesaz]

No, I'm saying Dave, the person we blocked. Or someone from the hood could've been like 'hey don't block us' and that would've stopped the n2 block that I once again didn't suggest. They didn't say anything so in my mind that was a safe block. I know in my mind if I was an invest hood and we got blocked I'd out that right away. Now that your point has been disproven you're going down yet another path? Alright.

You're suggesting the guy who argued quite forcefully D1 against outing

any

hood information would bring this up d2?
No, when you have an important role you keep your mouth shut as long as possible.
Now you might want to ask yourself why DV didn't mention it either, and hasn't really said much about it other than to ask why I didn't bring it up in the neighborhood instead of main thread...

[Firebringer]

where's your suspicion of FB coming from

I’ve literally been saying all game I think there’s scum in your hood, and we 2v2’d Volpe and GIF together...when ranking your hood, I had Volpe first, GIF 2nd, you 3rd...

Firebringer will even tell you he knows the suspicions been there

Yeah but it hasn’t really been from anything I’ve done from what I’ve seen

[davesaz]

Heh, didn't expect that much of a multipost.
Wagons are still hella fragmented for there only being 3 days on the clock. What's up with that?

[panthaleon]

Idk the nom one just fell apart so now we get to play deadline scramble

I still don't vibe with a Maria vote tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

where's your suspicion of FB coming from

I’ve literally been saying all game I think there’s scum in your hood, and we 2v2’d Volpe and GIF together...when ranking your hood, I had Volpe first, GIF 2nd, you 3rd...

Firebringer will even tell you he knows the suspicions been there

Yeah but it hasn’t really been from anything I’ve done from what I’ve seen

There’s some truth to this, to be fair. But that also worries me, if that makes sense. I’m also not pushing you like you’re lock scum.

I’m not even pushing Ank that way, but she overreacted into making it seem like I was.

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk the nom one just fell apart so now we get to play deadline scramble

I still don't vibe with a Maria vote tbh

Makes sense. You’re pocketed hard. I feel that.

[EspressoPatronum]

[...]It's annoying, because one of you are probably town cause 2 scum in a doctor hood makes no sense. I want to find who that is but when neither of you are giving me much to work with it's kinda hard.

ANY scum in the doctor hood makes no sense. Our LMS is also terrible for scum.

It's honestly one of the only hoods in this game in which having scum in it breaks the role.

It bears mention that ensuring roles / LMS are

not

used is one of the potential functions for scum to be in a hood to begin with.

If I die and FL doesn't use the lightning rod before the commuters die, that's 100% a scum claim.

If FL dies, I'm using the lightning rod as soon as possible.

[EspressoPatronum]

I'm giving you enough credit to assume you would know that blocking the same hood twice in a row is a bad idea. The first block on the inventor hood could be coincidence. The second was intentional.

I brought it up night 1
I was not the one who made the suggestion to do the same night 2. However, I was fine with it considering you know. I figured anyone from the inventor hood after night 1 would've said 'hey guys don't block our hood' (because they're told when it fails/roleblocked) I assumed since no one from the inventor hood said anything it was perfectly safe to block them again.

So let me get this straight.

You repeatedly criticized my post of outing hoods *distribution* (again, not powers) because you thought it was bad and gave too much information.

And you are now blaming the inventor hood for not full outing on D2 because their action didn't work?

Wow.

Wanted to succinctly reply to the original post before also commenting on this one.
Furthermore the person who eventually did out the information argued against distribution information right from the start. Remember that big discussion I had d1 on this topic? I'd be interested to know which side Maria was on d1, or if a position was even stated.

MariaR was vehemently against my position of outing hood distribution.

That's why her asking for the inventors to out D2 is so weird.

[davesaz]

Right, but I don't remember when she started having that opinion.

[EspressoPatronum]

Right, but I don't remember when she started having that opinion.

D2 began around 2000
I posted my outing theory around 2100
MariaR made her anti-outing sentiment known mid-2200 (see below)

That's all early D2.

[...]

TL;DR knowing hood members might help us out in the long run. Sharing this info is low risk because scum already knows the information anyway.

Outting who has a hood with each other was stupid in the first place but considering we did some of that day 1 it’s kinda late for that.

But I don’t see any reason to fully do it and just put ourself out on a line like that.

There's plenty more like that in her iso in the early 2000s.

[EspressoPatronum]

@dave I decided to quote some of the others.

Check out the spoiler below.

Spoiler:

What I realized is that people deflected really quickly from the proposition to lynch in the commuter hood and pointed fingers everywhere else. Interesting.

This would be interesting if people did want to start lynching in it considering you said really stupid information.

I think we should also out neighbors in general. Not the powers, just the composition of the neighborhoods.

This is so bad oh my lord why do we want this outted exactly? We know what neighborhood people flip in it's not like people will be 'hidden' as the last member. You're just giving scum easy access to not give the last standing powers to whoever they want.

+1 to Kuris scum read on EP

I'ma bash my head on a wall

The issue was we should've never outted hoods. That gives scum a lot more control over the 'last stand' powers. And as we can see those are pretty good. Combine that with the fact some people aren't playing and the town hasn't really had a solid gameplan for ages we're going down this snowball of a hill that will not fix itself unless something happens. Normally, I wouldn't care but it's team mafia and this is like, the important game so I kinda have to care.

This town has no teamwork
it's focusing on mechs and I hate that
we talked about NKA and I hate that.
We outted hoods and thats' a pro scum move. We're like checking off more stuff that sucks.

Wanna know what I'd love to do rn? Play some mafia. Let's talk about EP let's talk about Dave let's talk about the fact the commuter hood keeps getting brought up when their power is 'rly good' is rly rly scummy. Anyone with me? No? Okay.

For the 4th (maybe 5th) time.
Ep has proven they're a competent/smart player just with posting alone. So, if we look at their early posts with the awful push onAnk that I already explained. Combined with the 'scum have a chat thing' that I never will believe. I think he's just playing dumb and doesn't really believe the stuff he's saying. Outting the neighborhoods is wrong I've said why before. EP asked me to explain but I already have done that. What more am I supposed to do? His responses to the hint of pressure before were weak as well. I just don't like their posts and don't think it's real. Why am I wrong?

[Ankamius]

dv has ceph mentioned anything about the game yet

[Firebringer]

rc has a message for the game;

players leading the town are scum or pushing the town off a cliff. EP wont flip scum just like Nom won't. The very idea that we have people still calling our slot (FB) scum when we had the chance to hammer nom is frankly idiotic. Scum are all in people hard to lynch and if town doesn't suck it up so that someone can lead a lynch on a slot that isn't lynchbaity town. This will lead to a perfect lose game for town.

[Ankamius]

Scum are all in people hard to lynch and if town doesn't suck it up so that someone can lead a lynch on a slot that isn't lynchbaity town.

like WHO exactly

[Firebringer]

Scum are all in people hard to lynch and if town doesn't suck it up so that someone can lead a lynch on a slot that isn't lynchbaity town.

like WHO exactly

I asked him same thing and he just told me it was a gamestate read and he had no specific scumreads.
I am as disappointed as u about this.

[Firebringer]

I asked if he supported my DEB push, and he said "no read on that" and "EP and Nom aren't scum" and he thinks u could be scum still ank.

He thinks u could have pushed off Nom so I wouldn't get the venge kill, which I kind of doubt would be a thing u were thinking about when u reconsidered.

[Ankamius]

ok

then who exactly is hard to lynch is this game

[Firebringer]

idek

[Firebringer]

DEB SEEMS HARD TO LYNCH ALL OF THE SUDDEN!?!?!?!!?!?!?!