Micro 918: Doggos Among Us [TOWN WIN]!

[Hectic]

Hectic's 180 on Norway for no reason is reading really poorly to me. I still feel that Norway effectively scum slipped. I agree with Aaron that I do not see what Hectic was seeing which makes it worse.

Back of my mind is that I am wrong on Norway being lock scum bc Hectic's trajectory is very scum indicative with the hard push in to White Knight territory.

A thought that has just occurred is that clidd's play can make sense if clidd is a traitor and looking to effectively 'ask' the wolf who the traitor is. Like death tunnelling for no reason on someone, looking for a reaction from the wolf and then moving on depending on the reaction. :/

Why "no reason"? I did a meta check and found something he only does as town and never as scum; I'd say that's a pretty good reason. Is the scumslip referring to his first post?

[Hectic]

The ''Joker'' is playing well.

You mean that as in "playing well for being town", "playing well for being scum" or "playing well in general"?

Playing well in general.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think overall, there is far too much of people town reading people town reading them and scum reading people scum reading them.

It's really hard to read potential pocketing when everyone in the game is potentially either being pocketed or pocketing others.

Dude this is like the most scummy post ever.
Can your intention behind this post get boiled down to: "Omg stop solving the game and sorting people guys! It makes my job as scum harder!"

[NorwegianboyEE]

Am i really the only one who sees this?

[Hectic]

Why'd you like Doro for town, Norwee?

[clidd]

I was going to ask the same question.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why'd you like Doro for town, Norwee?

I've played a bunch of newbie games lately and he's giving me very strong newb!town vibes. And i've had a very strong consistency with those reads.

[Espeonage]

I think overall, there is far too much of people town reading people town reading them and scum reading people scum reading them.

It's really hard to read potential pocketing when everyone in the game is potentially either being pocketed or pocketing others.

Dude this is like the most scummy post ever.
Can your intention behind this post get boiled down to: "Omg stop solving the game and sorting people guys! It makes my job as scum harder!"

????

I'm asking people to actually sort instead of forming cliques. If everyone that town reads each other is having a nice circle jerk then the scum in there is going to have a field day and win. This is 4v3 chances are everyone is wrong at some point in their reads but if there is an us and them camp which is kinda forming then both camps are going to have scum and we lose bc the town in the smaller group gets picked off.

If someone town reads you and you are town, there is actually higher scum equity bc they know you are more likely to be town.

[Hectic]

Why'd you like Doro for town, Norwee?

I've played a bunch of newbie games lately and he's giving me very strong newb!town vibes. And i've had a very strong consistency with those reads.

Idk, I skimmed through this game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

-and he did a lot more solving there, whereas here, it feels like he's using the slip-hunting thing as an excuse to do less solving.

[Hectic]

Espeonage has a point tbh. I haven't been doing that though; I'm sus of Drew after he called me his top townread. And I townread Norwee while I was still his top scumread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This f- (Ok i've gotta cut down on my swearing)
This wicked Espeonage person hasn't given off any towntells this entire game and kept up a bad read on my initial post by claiming i "scum-slipped" and he has also been discouraging people from solving. I don't get why he's being townread. Although i'm assuming it's because some of his scum partners want to keep him alive.

[Espeonage]

Like this game if effectively 50/50.

You need to be really sure of a town read for it to hold any weight.

Like it's 4v3. I am town, so the other players are 3v3.

[Espeonage]

This f- (Ok i've gotta cut down on my swearing)
This wicked Espeonage person hasn't given off any towntells this entire game and kept up a bad read on my initial post by claiming i "scum-slipped" and he has also been discouraging people from solving. I don't get why he's being townread. Although i'm assuming it's because some of his scum partners want to keep him alive.

I am actively encouraging people to solve rather than be lazy. ?_?

[Hectic]

Hectic's 180 on Norway for no reason is reading really poorly to me. I still feel that Norway effectively scum slipped. I agree with Aaron that I do not see what Hectic was seeing which makes it worse.

Back of my mind is that I am wrong on Norway being lock scum bc Hectic's trajectory is very scum indicative with the hard push in to White Knight territory.

A thought that has just occurred is that clidd's play can make sense if clidd is a traitor and looking to effectively 'ask' the wolf who the traitor is. Like death tunnelling for no reason on someone, looking for a reaction from the wolf and then moving on depending on the reaction. :/

Why "no reason"? I did a meta check and found something he only does as town and never as scum; I'd say that's a pretty good reason. Is the scumslip referring to his first post?

Mind replying to this, Espeonage?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Djstjr can you post some reads? I think it would help us all if you showed us your current thought process.

[Espeonage]

Meta is evil and is shown time and time again to be inherently flawed. Any case that involves meta is a flawed case. I end up talking about this every game I play and I always insist on ignoring any meta tells anyone has. And somehow?!? I end up winning a lot of games as town after taking this line of argument.

[Espeonage]

440 is @438

[NorwegianboyEE]

Btw Espeonage, how do you expect any lynch to happen at all unless some of the town members form a so called: "clique" and succesfully target scum? (Although i'd most likely substitute the word "clique" with "temporary alliance")

[clidd]

Like this game if effectively 50/50.

You need to be really sure of a town read for it to hold any weight.

Like it's 4v3. I am town, so the other players are 3v3.

This reasoning seems prone to paranoia.

[Espeonage]

Like this game if effectively 50/50.

You need to be really sure of a town read for it to hold any weight.

Like it's 4v3. I am town, so the other players are 3v3.

This reasoning seems prone to paranoia.

Mafia as a game IS prone to paranoia. Like what even?

[Espeonage]

Btw Espeonage, how do you expect any lynch to happen at all unless some of the town members form a so called: "clique" and succesfully target scum? (Although i'd most likely substitute the word "clique" with "temporary alliance")

I expect people to form reads with thought, not with emotions.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah can you explain that post Clidd? What were you getting at there?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Btw Espeonage, how do you expect any lynch to happen at all unless some of the town members form a so called: "clique" and succesfully target scum? (Although i'd most likely substitute the word "clique" with "temporary alliance")

I expect people to form reads with thought, not with emotions.

That doesn't really have anything to do with what i said.
Besides if two townies "logically" townread each other then you can pretty much say they have formed an alliance of sorts.

[Espeonage]

Btw Espeonage, how do you expect any lynch to happen at all unless some of the town members form a so called: "clique" and succesfully target scum? (Although i'd most likely substitute the word "clique" with "temporary alliance")

I expect people to form reads with thought, not with emotions.

That doesn't really have anything to do with what i said.
Besides if two townies "logically" townread each other then you can pretty much say they have formed an alliance of sorts.

I agree. But that isn't really happening much this game. And you are the biggest offender.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Let's leave that arguing for the post-game. Then we'll see who's right. Because i'm pretty sure my townreads are correct.