Mini Normal 2118: Boon Gets Pretentious - [Day 4]

[Luca Blight]

And Frost has shown he can change his scum play in one game as I showed earlier, try reading his meta.

[Ame]

I'd really like some content from Karnage before I decide where to place my vote.

Also @Hectic what do you make of this:

The fact Insomnia didn’t read my posts means he also didn’t read Frost’s, yet he’s obvtown?

Insomnia is making up his reads - it makes zero sense to have Frost as obvtown and me as scum for not considering Frost obvtown when he ignored all the relevant material regarding this.

Is that an actual thought you have? Lmfao

If you’re gonna push my top town read, especially when we have the same experience with them (Aaron), then why the fuck wouldn’t I scum read you for not seeing what I’m seeing?

He’s playing so differently than his scum game that there’s no world where this guy is scum

And you not seeing it of course is gonna make me scum read you more

Somni, you stated here that it's scummy for Luca not to see it, but you haven't looked into why he's scumreading him (the pages you skimmed)? Was Aarons early play enough to exclude a possible tell Luca picked up on those pages?

I HAVEN’T READ SO HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WTF WAS GOING ON?

He reacted to MY pressure and that’s what I’m saying I was town reading, not him reacting to YOURS

You’re not even reading my posts

Aarons reaction to Luca's pressure is obviously an important factor though. If you're reading Aaron off of two different things, how can you be so sure that Luca's perception is wrong?

[Luca Blight]

For the record, Frost isn’t my biggest SR, insomnia is. I can see a possible world where Frost is Town, but I’m leaning scum and be refuse to tr him based on meta.

Insomnia is just scum.

[Luca Blight]

A Frost scum flip would be so satisfying after all the shit I’ve taken for it.

[Luca Blight]

K I think you're blatantly lying about Aaron's meta

there's a huge difference in between this game and the other one. you suggesting that his gameplay could change so drastically in one game is ludicrous.

What have I said that’s a ‘lie’?

Waiting for an answer to this, Insomnia.

[Ame]

hehe I just realized why Hectic refers to Aaron as AaronFF

refuse to tr him based on meta.

To be clear, I'm not town reading Aaron off of meta. Contrasting his play to his scum game is just a way to make salient what is townie about him. I'm town reading him because he has been calm, consistent, and hasn't backed down under pressure. He's also been concerned with the health of the game (off the top of my head, he was concerned with the slow start, made an attempt to get discussion going even if it was at his expense, and has been trying to get the less active posters involved).

[Ame]

@insomnia why the lurk mode?

[Luca Blight]

I tr Frost’s early play too, I just felt he got really cautious like he was trying to hold onto the TR’s he had attained.

I don’t really like his reaction to my suspicion either as I don’t feel he would have jumped to the conclusion that I’m scum based on that, if he were Town.

[insomnia]

Re-read Frost's scum game, and in that game, his early interactions were based off producing anti-spew conversations, especially with profii.

Then, he had a general theme of trying to please people and form interactions. There was a sense of aggression that was just fake bravado, especially pointed in his Macabre read. That fake bravado is immediately spotted because his arguments suck even if he acts confident.

Which is nothing like his game here. He didn't look to please anyone, he started by pushing Ame, and his push was also significantly different to how he voted me in the last game, in there he voted me with a question, in order to make it look like an organic progression and look like he had the intent of sorting me, even though he just placed a vote on me.

With the vote on Ame, that's diametrically opposite. He voted her without looking for general opinions on the slot, and when pushed by me, he reacted diametrically opposite as well : In his last game, he still maintained the fake bravado and wanted to hold the "high ground" over me while also acting goofy and having a playful approach in order to appease me.

In here, he stood his ground and dropped the semi-aggressiveness he had at the start of the game and explained his actions, rather than beating around the push. Also, he was faster at issuing town reads than he was here, which shows he's taking his time with his reads. Also, the stances taken to questions asked ratio is significantly different, where in his scum game he had a lot more stances taken than questions asked, because he had TMI and only had to tail us off and not figure anyone out.

In here, he asked a lot more questions.

Bottom line, this guy is obviously town and it's obvious to anyone.

I asked for why he had a poor approach to your pressure which you still haven't explained, and that's maybe the only thing that I can consider being scummy about him. You're lying about the "he's reacting poorly to pressure" in order to justify your scum read on him.

Surely if it's so obvious you can put it in words, but you just flat out refuse to do so lol

[Luca Blight]

Here’s Frost ‘concerned with the health of the game’ as scum.

Holy shit we have less than 2 days and this game is dragging.

Alonzo is at L-2 right?

Have a read through this game, Ame. If you want to compare it with his first scum game the difference is night and day.

[Luca Blight]

It really is obvious that even Ame, who disagrees with me over Frost, sees it is obviously similar, Insomnia. Just because you can’t comprehend something doesn’t mean I’m lying about it, so don’t try to paint it as such.

Have you got anything to say about this game not related to Frost’s meta?

[insomnia]

got plenty of stuff in my iso, which you could look through.

[insomnia]

and hasn't backed down under pressure.

ame disagrees with you.

[Luca Blight]

Where did I say he backed down under pressure? Seriously, you are clueless.

I said the exact opposite - that he turned the suspicion onto me in retaliation.

If you were reading you’d see Ame agreed that aspect was similar.

[insomnia]

Ctrl + f'd "pressure". This is what it comes up with.

to my pressure was literally the same as the previous game.

His reaction to my pressure was the same as the previous scum game which you’re conveniently ignoring.

and you WOULD have taken his reaction to my pressure into account if you were Town.

Maybe Frost handled earlier pressure well, but if he later handles pressure just like his scum game then surely any Townie would take a moment to consider if they were wrong, especially when their read is so based on meta, as Insomnia's Frost read is.

My point is that, while your general play has been different (which is Nai) your reaction to pressure was the same as your scum game, which is alignment indicative. This nullifies any argument that you must be Town for playing differently.

My counter to that is that he reacted to pressure in the same way as that game, which nullifies your point.

none of this explains how "reacting to my pressure like his scum game" is valid / why he reacts like his previous scum game.

That's all I'm asking and you keep making it not about this when it's clearly about this. i'm asking you to present WHY you think he's handling your slot the same as last scum game, because I am not seeing that, so you should explain yourself

what's so hard to comprehend?

[Luca Blight]

got plenty of stuff in my iso, which you could look through.

You’re doing zero game solving right now; all you’re doing is labouring the Frost meta argument while showing how clueless you are about it.

What are your reads?

[Luca Blight]

Insomnia, where in all those quotes did I say Frost backed down from pressure?

[insomnia]

{Wimpy/Karnage, Aaron}

{Ame, Creative/dsjstr}

{clidd, hectic}

{luca blight, flippy}

[Luca Blight]

Do you think me and Flips are scum together?

[insomnia]

Insomnia, where in all those quotes did I say Frost backed down from pressure?

semantics

p-edit : no, i think you're scum but if you somehow flip town, that would bring me back on the flippy read, because now i independently read you both as scummy, but you are way scummier than him and got me in a tunnel, which made me ignore his other points if he even made any.

[insomnia]

should be like a dash in there, mea culpa

[Luca Blight]

Lmao, my point was literally the opposite of the one you assumed, and yet realizing you have misinterpreted what I meant so badly doesn’t even being you to consider you might be wrong about me.

You are obvious scum.

[Luca Blight]

You’re not sorting - you’re trying to frame me as scummy. You don’t even care about what i actually said or why - that is obvious from your progression.

[insomnia]

i'm not framing anything, i flat out called you scum

[Luca Blight]

You’re framing the situation to make me appear scummy - you aren’t bothered that your interpretation of what I said was entirely wrong; it doesn’t affect your read on me at all, because the read isn’t genuine.