Newbie 1987 | Game Over

[Karnage]

Vote Count 1.1

Phi Kappa Phi (1) ~

OldMapleNostalgia,

Maduisha (1) ~

72offsuit,

JacksonVirgo (1) ~

Phi Kappa Phi,

clidd (1) ~

ObviousScum,

Not voting (5) ~

clidd, Maduisha, GeneralWu, ceejayvinoya, JacksonVirgo,

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2020-03-01 19:00:00)

V/LA: none

[Phi Kappa Phi]

Is the act of OS admitting this is an alternate account alignment indicative? What are people's thoughts?
I'm wondering if !scumOS (scenario of OS having rolled mafia this game) versus !townOS would admit, versus not admit, to being an alternate account, or if I'm barking up the wrong tree completely and this has no relevance at all...

I don't think it's the kind of thing that's never alignment indicative, but I question the motivation here considering (I assume) most of us haven't played with OS before.

[OldMapleNostalgia]

so you're saying it was off-topic? I think it was more an indication that was the reason he chose phi for RVS

no it wasn't off topic
I just think it's pretty hard for two people who know each other in real life to not talk about the game outside of the thread lol

To explain more: Phi Kappa Phi is an honors society for college students that have chapters across the country. I have no relation to him at all... I think.

[GeneralWu]

What makes him seem townie to you?

historically, newbies who get avatars very quickly without fighting about it have tended to flip town!

wait wtmoo
I got an avatar because getting an avatar makes a game easier to read
Also how do you know that historically newbies who get avatars very quickly without fighting about it have tended to flip town

[GeneralWu]

Oh we're on page 2

Time for OBVIOUSCSCUM thoughts

"how to play scum"
maybe play scum by being nice? your goal is to get into the townblock and endgame, right, and it will be easier to do that if people like you. plus the game will be more pleasant for everyone if the scum are nice

"how to play town"
even though I just said scum should try to be nice (i.e. "pocket" townies), I don't think it's healthy for a game if you get too paranoid about every pleasant interaction. it can be hard to fake niceness; hell it can be harder to fake niceness and solving than it can be to fake aggression. plus if everyone is calmer then you will be able to think about the thought processes of players easier

these have been obviouscum thoughts, thank you for your time

Is this some weird role play thing where you have a different posting style based on the alt account that you log in with?

What are everyone's thoughts regarding OS admitting to this being an alternate account, in particular linked to an account that i just played a game with.
OS played under the account DetectivePikachu (DP and I were both town).

Is the act of OS admitting this is an alternate account alignment indicative? What are people's thoughts?
I'm wondering if !scumOS (scenario of OS having rolled mafia this game) versus !townOS would admit, versus not admit, to being an alternate account, or if I'm barking up the wrong tree completely and this has no relevance at all...

Wait I don't think an alternate account necessarily is alignment indicative.
Since after all your alignment is determined AFTER you decide which account to join the game with.

[ObviousScum]

actually I was wrong, in https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80145 kanifee set up an avi without much resistance and then flipped scum

for emps I helped him set up his first avi and he flipped scum

but it was yet another game where scumteam began as no avis...

[ObviousScum]

what I usually think of is overkill from this game tho -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

who actively resisted getting an avi as scum

so maybe scum have tended to make more of a thing about it one way or the other, either refusing to get one at first or asking for a lot of help on it

[ObviousScum]

the important thing is that historically one of the scum team has started the game as a noavi in I think every newbie queue game I've played

[ObviousScum]

wait did natsu have an avi or not at game start

he didn't right?

or damn did 1984 actually break that streak?

[GeneralWu]

what I usually think of is overkill from this game tho -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

who actively resisted getting an avi as scum

so maybe scum have tended to make more of a thing about it one way or the other, either refusing to get one at first or asking for a lot of help on it

I mean if the user knows that the game is easier to read when everyone has an avatar, but he still refuses to get one, it could be with the intention of messing things up.
Since I know on Mafia Universe that games can get harder to read when someone doesn't have an avatar, and even harder when more than one person has no avatar.

It all depends on the situation though. If it's quite obvious the user is intentionally making a fuss out of avatars he has a greater chance of being mafia.
While someone who's using a forum like this for the first time and doesn't know the benefit of an avatar may be innocent.

[ceejayvinoya]

Genwu is town but not for avatar related reasons

[GeneralWu]

Genwu is town but not for avatar related reasons

why do you think i'm town

[ceejayvinoya]

Obvscum might also be town

[ceejayvinoya]

Genwu is town but not for avatar related reasons

why do you think i'm town

I like your answers on how avatars and alternate accounts are not necessarily alignment indicative and are not very helpful ways to proceed

[GeneralWu]

Obvscum might also be town

reasons?
I also think obvscum is towny but I'd like to hear your reasons first

[ceejayvinoya]

Obvscum might also be town

reasons?
I also think obvscum is towny but I'd like to hear your reasons first

Sure

His overall pleasant "trying to get the game going" vibes

[GeneralWu]

Obvscum might also be town

reasons?
I also think obvscum is towny but I'd like to hear your reasons first

Sure

His overall pleasant "trying to get the game going" vibes

yeah I think so too
His tone is towny and he seems to try and get stuff moving

[JacksonVirgo]

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[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

Sorry buddy, I googled our astrological compatibility and it's not gonna work between us

Aww :c

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[GeneralWu]

Like, just because someone put in a lot of work to create a first post doesn't make him conftown

[72offsuit]

Oh we're on page 2

Time for OBVIOUSCSCUM thoughts

"how to play scum"
maybe play scum by being nice? your goal is to get into the townblock and endgame, right, and it will be easier to do that if people like you. plus the game will be more pleasant for everyone if the scum are nice

"how to play town"
even though I just said scum should try to be nice (i.e. "pocket" townies), I don't think it's healthy for a game if you get too paranoid about every pleasant interaction. it can be hard to fake niceness; hell it can be harder to fake niceness and solving than it can be to fake aggression. plus if everyone is calmer then you will be able to think about the thought processes of players easier

these have been obviouscum thoughts, thank you for your time

Is this some weird role play thing where you have a different posting style based on the alt account that you log in with?

What are everyone's thoughts regarding OS admitting to this being an alternate account, in particular linked to an account that i just played a game with.
OS played under the account DetectivePikachu (DP and I were both town).

Is the act of OS admitting this is an alternate account alignment indicative? What are people's thoughts?
I'm wondering if !scumOS (scenario of OS having rolled mafia this game) versus !townOS would admit, versus not admit, to being an alternate account, or if I'm barking up the wrong tree completely and this has no relevance at all...

Wait I don't think an alternate account necessarily is alignment indicative.
Since after all your alignment is determined AFTER you decide which account to join the game with.

What I'm trying to get at here is not about the existence of an alternate account, but the fact he CHOSE TO REVEAL/ADMIT to me that this OS account is an alternate for his DP account.
He could have kept this information to himself, as I would have no way of knowing that I have played with him (OS) previously had he not revealed this.

[OldMapleNostalgia]

Yes, Jackson. How can you be so serious and seriously town read someone as serious as OS... seriously?

[72offsuit]

Yes, Jackson. How can you be so serious and seriously town read someone as serious as OS... seriously?

Why so serious? The Joker says hi

[OldMapleNostalgia]

@72
I disagree. I haven't played with OS so I can't say anything about his playstyle or how he types, but it didn't feel like there was any malicious intent in saying that he played with you before. Rather, it's strange that you're somewhat aggressively putting the spotlight on him. I like your desire to get the game moving, but this might be a dead end.