Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: flavor leaf

Ftr zero people are BoPing you

Disagree

[Flavor Leaf]

Or else I’d be town read

[OkaPoka]

Come vote aaronfrost lmao

[Flavor Leaf]

People are just too surface level to see it that way

[OkaPoka]

Wow smh scum caught for thr wrong reasons amirite

[Sherlock and Watson]

So you agree with my solve outside of my read on you but I'm giving trash reads?

Fuck off with that AtE dude

-S

[Flavor Leaf]

If I were caught for the wrong reasons, you’d see me arguing a lot more.

That’s the easiest thing to argue against

[Flavor Leaf]

So you agree with my solve outside of my read on you but I'm giving trash reads?

Fuck off with that AtE dude

-S

Haven’t read your reads tbh

Just saw my name at the top when you should have the highest town read on me based on the Maki.

I was pushing Maki when yo7 we’re defending them, and then I powered the wagon home because you couldn’t. I even gave you most of the credit, because I slingshotted

[Sherlock and Watson]

ftr I've played with nancy enough that I lynch pretty much any slot AtEing at this point so if you're town this is not helping my read

-S

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m still waiting for a chart of all the mech claims and actions

I don’t even know who the ascetics are

[TrueSoulEnergy]

BAH!

[Sherlock and Watson]

Yeah ok I liked boon on day 1

Boon since then has been doing scummy shit

A lot of this town is very townie, day 1 shit is not enough now

-S

[Flavor Leaf]

ftr I've played with nancy enough that I lynch pretty much any slot AtEing at this point so if you're town this is not helping my read

-S

I’m not too worried about getting lynched or not.

If i get lynched, I’m a town flip, and in theory, I’ll get to see results on my draft spec, which has been proven to be 100% accurate thus far.

I expect it to end up at 75% accurate.

[Sherlock and Watson]

BAH!

did u just get dayvigged?

-S

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah ok I liked boon on day 1

Boon since then has been doing scummy shit

A lot of this town is very townie, day 1 shit is not enough now

-S

Scum are gonna be very townie, to be fair. Why would they be scummy?

[Sherlock and Watson]

If i get lynched, I’m a town flip, and in theory, I’ll get to see results on my draft spec, which has been proven to be 100% accurate thus far.

I expect it to end up at 75% accurate.

wouldnt a third scumflip also give u this

-S

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, scumMe doesn’t lurk without having a full grasp on the game, a la Rick Dalton.

TownMe without a grasp on the game lurks full on days

[Flavor Leaf]

If i get lynched, I’m a town flip, and in theory, I’ll get to see results on my draft spec, which has been proven to be 100% accurate thus far.

I expect it to end up at 75% accurate.

wouldnt a third scumflip also give u this

-S

Sure, but i don’t feel like putting the work in right now only for people to just go

“Zz”
“Lynch Boon for luls”

Frankly, not worth it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve already done a lot of posts and analysis every day but this day.

[OkaPoka]

Yes i sleep at your whining

Do you want me to give you a nice hug instead

[OkaPoka]

*hugs very closely with my chicken arms*

[Alisae]

[Flavor Leaf]

TrueSoulEnergy
Pine
Flavor Leaf
Hectic
OkaPoka
Espeonage
Bitmap
Maki and Kaito (hydra of Maki Harukawa & Kaito Momota)
Sherlock and Watson (hydra of PenguinPower & Krazy)
Frozen Angel
Chemist1422
AaronFrost
Spiffeh
gobbledygook
Ankamius
Reasonably Rational (hydra of Cerberus v666 and Drixx)
Amrun

Let’s look at this list? Who would you state are the scum heavies, picks by Alisae? By heavy, I mean the slot to be able to captain a scum team and maneuver their way around the majority of players, which is why I won’t have Bitmap or the RR hydra, even though I think they’re likely strong or capable scum players.

I would say:
Pine
FL
Maria/Dunn hydra (keep in mind, Alisae nomm’d Dunn for Rising Star)
Sherlock and Watson
Ankamius

There is absolutely zero chance that there isn’t scum within this list. I know I’m town, and you can deduct Alisae wouldn’t ever pick me here (you don’t have to believe it, but e knows it’s true)

So that leaves

Pine
Maria/Dunn hydra
Krazy/PP hydra
Ankamius.

Obviously you can’t just pick all heavies, that’s too many cooks in the kitchen, so it would be balanced out between strong supporting scum players, and a likely “no one would ever expect this!!!”

Does anybody disagree with this heavy list?

I feel like Alisae almost by definition had to pick someone inside {bitmap, espeonage, boon, you} but I'm already second-guessing everything about each of those slots lol

I almost made a secondary list about supporting scum players over the heavies, and Bitmap/Espeonage fit more in that vein for me based on playerlist knowledge, I believe.

Neat that you posted this as I was posting my thing, however, I fail to see why Ankamius was omitted from this list.

Secondary Scum List second in commands

Espeonage
Bitmap
Gobbledygook
Reasonably Rational

Under the radar coast be there scum picks
Hectic
Okapoka
AaronFrost
Frozen Angel
Spiffeh


Don’t really see Alisae picking unless having to choose between two of em specifically
TrueSoulEnergy
Chemist
Amrun

OkaPoka
Espeonage
Bitmap

you don't see any of these three as heavies from Alisae's POV?

-S

Not in the same sense. I don’t see them as Captain running the town kind of scum, if that makes sense.

They’re more deepwolf, really strong scum for the late game side of things whilst being able to backup the scum being at the forefront.

Why would Ali not pick Amrun? Isn't Amrun pretty well regarded?

And why is Oka "under the radar"?

Your characterizations of people seems kinda?

-S

Because I think those are strong picks as not the main scum, if that makes sense.

E could have picked Amrun, but I don’t feel they did.

Can you explain to me what you feel Amrun and Alisae’s relationship is like?

I think Chemist would have been a solid pick too. Doesn’t mean I think Alisae would have picked.

Not in the same sense. I don’t see them as Captain running the town kind of scum, if that makes sense.

They’re more deepwolf, really strong scum for the late game side of things whilst being able to backup the scum being at the forefront.

Oka isn't captain but is instead deepwolf...?

Like I don't even scumread Oka but that just is not how I view his range at all, he's definitely a very strong player and definitely capable of Captaining stuff

I don't really think this is a particularly productive approach the gamestate. You can't just read Dunn's iso and tell me why I'm wrong and he's actually town?

-S

Really? He’s first mate, deepwolf was a bad word there.

This is strictly speaking in terms of the drafting mechanics. In a team of they’re own when forced to do it, I feel bitmap/RR easily can captain a game, but I don’t know enough of Bitmap’s play to call them a heavy heavy captain, but from the few games I’ve seen, and by meeting, I feel they can be incredibly strong behind the scenes moreso than upfront.

OkaPoka I’ve never really seen take control of a game, but maybe that’s just based on games I’ve played with him, in which he’s always seemed like a secondary scum, but a solid one, if that makes sense

I'd be very shocked if FL's idea of the drafting strategy was even close to what Alisae actually did.

And keep in mind that I have very recent experience as scum with Alisae, so I likely have among the most relevant experience here with how e handles scumteams.

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Explain why please.

Show your work.

I also don’t think Alisae thinks high enough of their own scum game to warrant them not picking one of the players I put in the 4.

The fact Ankamius pushes the idea that none of those 4 could be picked is extremely interesting to me.

Does Alisae have access to the Mafia PT and can talk in it?
In that scenario, If I had picked with this player list, I think I would go...

One of Krazy hydra/Ankamius, but exactly one of them.
AaronFrost
Hectic
One of Gobbledygook/RR


I’m too lazy to check if it’s 4 or 5 scum, but I think this is a 21 player?

If this is the topic of conversation for the evening I'm tagging in Kaito and going to bed.

yeah the way he's doing it seems kinda passive-aggressive and uncool

I didn't realize boon was gonna neg half the player list when I poked the boon fire

-S

Combine that with the fact if I have to deal with people calling X town and Y scum for 'what ali would do' I'm going to actively ignore it because it's just stupid. Set up spec is stupid pick drafting is stupid. Let's just play mafia. Ugh.

I actually highly disagree with the drafting being bad, because Alisae gets to post in this game, and thus is readable.

This is my starting ground, building my base for me to eventually solve, and I’m showing my work.

Atm, I don’t think Ankamius is the 1 to have been drafted out of the 4.

you all are underestimating how beneficial slots with erratic voting patterns are this game as scum picks

and ftr boon, Alisae was captaining when we were scum together

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I’m not saying e can’t captain. This is a drafting game, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

Don’t really see Alisae picking unless having to choose between two of em specifically
TrueSoulEnergy
Chemist
Amrun

66.6% correct thus far on this one. TSE, if you’re town, I’m 100% here.

[Sherlock and Watson]

well cerb is also a good lynch but now I'm gonna stay on boon since now I don't want to play this game anymore

ur AtE can eat an entire bag of dicks

-S