Open 773: Masons and Mafia: RVS Awards (GAME OVER)

[Cat Scratch Fever]

What's an absol?

[Miss Lane]

CSF I'm gonna be honest most of your post seems remarkably nitpicky. This part in particular stands out as wrong:

Her reads here are very simplistic. All of her scumreads townread Aldus, and her townreads scumread Aldus, which doesn't make sense because if you're going to make associative reads like that, you should also consider that scum aren't all going to townread each other.

First, assuming that this was the basis behind her reads with no reason to assume it at all is weird.

What did I assume? I don't think I made any assumptions here. It's an observation that her scumreads all townread Aldus and her townreads scumread Aldus with the exception of maybe Klick.

But in addition to that, pops was townreading Aldus at this point, Klick has been townreading him the entire game, and Egix had no read on him at all. Your statement is so factually incorrect, that you could say the reverse is true and it would still be just as wrong.

Pops wasn't not townreading Aldus at this point. Why do you think this? pop's vote on Aldus as of 442, and 456 also implies she was still scumreading Ald there.

Klick I admit I could've been wrong on simply because I don't remember what Klick's view of the game was at the time off the top of my head. But notably, you and pops were both active at the time and were pushing there.

Klick and Egix. Youre right on pops, I admittedly only read her posts up until she seemed to flip on Aldi's, but the more recent posting seems wrong. Your assumption is that her reads are based on associatives, and 67% correlation in a 6 data set is only barely a sample, IMO.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Combine this with the fact that her most recent town game she also posted largely like this - the only notable lacking factor from my skin is that she's less aggressive and controlling in this game - could be explained by a plethora of reasons.

What were the similarities? I can take a look myself later

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Klick and Egix. Youre right on pops, I admittedly only read her posts up until she seemed to flip on Aldi's, but the more recent posting seems wrong. Your assumption is that her reads are based on associatives, and 67% correlation in a 6 data set is only barely a sample, IMO.

She said her reads were made "with regard to associations" though

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Or like, in 476 they were anyway

[Miss Lane]

Combine this with the fact that her most recent town game she also posted largely like this - the only notable lacking factor from my skin is that she's less aggressive and controlling in this game - could be explained by a plethora of reasons.

What were the similarities? I can take a look myself later

Posting that engaged a larger majority of the player base vise her "only my scum buddy matters approach in her scum game" higher posting frequency (a small thing to take into account, however, given the size of her scum game). Additionally, I believe she had day chat with mastina in her scum game.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Let me preface this by saying that single game meta is a bad sole reason to town or scum read anyone in a mafia game outside of early day 1, and especially in potential Mylo. That said, I skimmed Suji's recent scum game and recent town game and found too few similarities between either to support a scum read on them except in the most dire circumstances. The scum game bring used lasted only 9 days and seems to be a mechanically run game - a game where posting a mere 30 times in 13 pages isn't really a whole lot to write home about, and a game where a player who seems to not be making much of an impression at all will likely fly mostly under the radar. In addition, Suji's posting in that game seem to be largely concerned with her scum buddy, with mastina coming up in roughly 70% of her posts. I don't see a correlation here with her and cheeky. In fact, she mentions Cheeky almost not at all. Combine this with the fact that her most recent town game she also posted largely like this - the only notable lacking factor from my skin is that she's less aggressive and controlling in this game - could be explained by a plethora of reasons. Fearmongering over Suji's play in this instance does not seem like a good move to make, especially when there are 9 days left to allow a more reasonable approach to make an impact.

Town!Suji
Generates a new push after a misslynch.
Nuff Said.

(Look at Nomination Mafia to see what I mean)
In that game it was a true view on their town Playstyle.
And I don’t see that here.

And you saying META doesn’t
Matter means your not Ace Teir.

Someone who’s Ace Teir knows that certain players seem more Townie regardless of alignment and others known as “weak players” (like Egix) are seen more scummy regardless of alignment.

Where someone like you thinks Townie Posts And Scummy Posts are all there is to it to reading something

WHICH IS WRONG!

[Miss Lane]

Or like, in 476 they were anyway

Redactions made with regard to associations.

I interpreted that as she left people out due to associations, but I guess it doesn't hurt to ask her.
@suji

[Cat Scratch Fever]

The posts about Aldi's are irrelevant. The way Aldi's arrived at his TSE town read was awkward and supports Suji's stance on him, IMO. Your disagreement over assignment of meaning to the word "weird" is merely that: a disagreement.

I didn't think Aldi's trajectory on TSE was that odd, although I might be biased because early game I also thought TSE was towny by meta so there was some degree of mindmeld there.

I mean Ald was arguably her top scumread at the time, so I'm looking at her reasons to justify the scumread and seeing if the stated reasons match up with her confidence in the read. And I don't think they do

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Combine this with the fact that her most recent town game she also posted largely like this - the only notable lacking factor from my skin is that she's less aggressive and controlling in this game - could be explained by a plethora of reasons.

What were the similarities? I can take a look myself later

Posting that engaged a larger majority of the player base vise her "only my scum buddy matters approach in her scum game" higher posting frequency (a small thing to take into account, however, given the size of her scum game). Additionally, I believe she had day chat with mastina in her scum game.

Yeah but your forgetting Mastina had a Mafia role that Auto Died At the end of day 2.
No matter what.

So that entire thing you just stated isn’t valid

AT ALL

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Logically Suji should be pushing someone today.
But they defend instead.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Or like, in 476 they were anyway

Redactions made with regard to associations.

I interpreted that as she left people out due to associations, but I guess it doesn't hurt to ask her.
@suji

Oh I think I read redactions as reactions lol

Fine but 66% is still a lot imo.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

ending a conversation when it is no longer fruitful is a good thing to do and something I've regularly done as town.

fwiw I do agree with this as a broad principle, but on a qualitative level, I feel like town usually engage for longer periods of time. In this case, I didn't think Suji and Auro's conversation lasted very long, and I felt like the conversation was cut rather abruptly.

[Miss Lane]

The posts about Aldi's are irrelevant. The way Aldi's arrived at his TSE town read was awkward and supports Suji's stance on him, IMO. Your disagreement over assignment of meaning to the word "weird" is merely that: a disagreement.

I didn't think Aldi's trajectory on TSE was that odd, although I might be biased because early game I also thought TSE was towny by meta so there was some degree of mindmeld there.

I thought TSE was town from game start as well, but I still think Aldus' change on him felt weird.

I mean Ald was arguably her top scumread at the time, so I'm looking at her reasons to justify the scumread and seeing if the stated reasons match up with her confidence in the read. And I don't think they do

I agree with her that the first quote from Aldus seems to be framing TSE, and in the second he seems fence-sitty.

[Miss Lane]

Or like, in 476 they were anyway

Redactions made with regard to associations.

I interpreted that as she left people out due to associations, but I guess it doesn't hurt to ask her.
@suji

Oh I think I read redactions as reactions lol

Oh. Err... maybe it was a typo and I'm wrong, I guess. I never saw it as that, lol, but that maybe makes more sense?

Fine but 66% is still a lot imo.

Fair. I won't completely toss the idea for now, and there's definitely more weight to it than I originally conceived.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The posts about Aldi's are irrelevant. The way Aldi's arrived at his TSE town read was awkward and supports Suji's stance on him, IMO. Your disagreement over assignment of meaning to the word "weird" is merely that: a disagreement.

I didn't think Aldi's trajectory on TSE was that odd, although I might be biased because early game I also thought TSE was towny by meta so there was some degree of mindmeld there.

I thought TSE was town from game start as well, but I still think Aldus' change on him felt weird.

I mean Ald was arguably her top scumread at the time, so I'm looking at her reasons to justify the scumread and seeing if the stated reasons match up with her confidence in the read. And I don't think they do

I agree with her that the first quote from Aldus seems to be framing TSE, and in the second he seems fence-sitty.

I’d disagree I’d think Suji was trying to frame me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

By trying to use Ald.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@ML

Do you have me on ignore?

[Miss Lane]

@ML

Do you have me on ignore?

If I wanted to find the last coherent post from you, I'd have to open a history book, and the last post I've seen you comprehend was possibly even farther back. I've tried to minimize misunderstandings with you and that's proven about as productive as arguing with a two-year-old. On the date where you make a post that seems to understand what a post is trying to say, respond in a manner that displays such comprehension, and add a thought that has more depth than the kitchen sink I will start giving you the time of day again.

[popsofctown]

I have read nothing of the thread except the pagetop of this page but I want to say that it is a beautiful pagetop

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I try

[Auro]

@Pops/Chemist: would you vote Suji? If not, why not?

[Chemist1422]

What's an absol?

plushieeeeeee

@Pops/Chemist: would you vote Suji? If not, why not?

not yet since I haven't read

[Auro]

When are you planning to read the game?
Till what point have you read the game - and do you think Suji is a good lynch at that point?

[Chemist1422]

I've read on and off until CT died

I'll probably read it tomorrow? I was at a convention for all of today so I couldn't