Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

[clidd]

Don't worry, no game is solved on the first day, but measures to facilitate its progress can be made. Of course, this reduces the fun as we apply mathematical factors to safely increase our chances of winning, but on the other hand, it encourages collective work - an essential element for any mafia game.

I believe that it was rash of me to consider your reasoning irrelevant, as I totally disregarded your view of the game in this context. If you are not comfortable with the way we are playing, we can think of a more traditional way of playing - through normal scumhunting, for example.

Spoiler:

[72offsuit]

lotus would you mind sharing what kind of mafia playing experience you have?

number of games etc

Further Ico's question of lotus, is everyone able to answer the question and a bonus question:

1) What is your experience of forum mafia and mafia in general in other formats?
2) Do you prefer playing as town or as scum?

[72offsuit]

Namely, thanks to 7/2's initial jokevote, Ico's pushed me to -2. Luckily any even halfway competent scum would not pounce on that at the start of D1, so like I don't feel threatened by it at all.

You sound a little threatened by it, lol

I have some other thoughts but I'll let Ico respond first

Agree

[Atarashi Hajimari]

getting an argument that does boil down to "if you think I'm scummy, then so are they"

That's not at all what my reasoning for thinking you could be scum was.

[72offsuit]

Agree. I get a bad vibe from the post. It sounds to me more like Information Instead of Analysis. Like you say, its a just a generic state of play rehash without actually bringing town closer to deciding a lynch.

Worst yet, Atarashi doubles down that they haven't made a conclusion yet. As if its some golden nugget that will reap some mysterious rewards later.

Do you have any thoughts about all of Atarashi's subsequent posts? I agree the original post lacks intent (as discussed), but I don't really scumread any of their questions/explanations afterwards.

Couldn't the "yet" also indicate that even though Atarashi doesn't know what to conclude right now, they did genuinely think it was worth posting?

I dont like the yet. I would expect a suggestion like my initial vibe is this is scum indicatice or something to that effect.

In p48 Ata discussess not thinking its worth pressuring.
Its not the not pressuting or not voting but rather the fence sitting.

Its the sort of comment scum can say and that at their convenience later on say "aha, i had a feeling it was a scummy move by player X, i just couldnt place it at the time".

[72offsuit]

Ebwop: "my initial vibe.... "

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Once jokephase is over and serious votes start,

My vote was serious.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Its not the not pressuting or not voting but rather the fence sitting.

What fence am I sitting on? I've said that the lack of an initial rvs vote isn't a bad thing.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I

Am
Mason

Am

Mason
Am
Sunshine
Only
Mason

What's a masom?

[72offsuit]

Hey, @72 do you have any experience of playing scum?

In forum mafia, no.
In online fast paced mafia (epicmafia), lots.
Also have experience as evil/ traitor roles in board games: bang! As outlaw, dead of winter as traitor, saboteur: evil dwarf, deception-murder in hong kong as murderer. Never actually l played the card/boardgame werewolf IRL though.

[72offsuit]

I

Am
Mason

Am

Mason
Am
Sunshine
Only
Mason

What's a masom?

Its someone who wasnt worthy of the actual masonhood
Its luke the B team of a main sportsteam.
The wannabes

[clidd]

He has the same role I had in our last game.

[72offsuit]

Ebwop: like*
Sry, on mobile

[Atarashi Hajimari]

He has the same role I had in our last game.

No you were a maso

n

, not a maso

m

. Big difference.

Source: English major

[72offsuit]

At least 52 sounds a lot better.

Lion - I disagree as town I read the games and try to catch up when I can. I didn't post here because of [Redacted] was nearing deadline and needed to catch up with that after a bad night of drinking but was prod dodging as well. Yes bad reasoning but what can we do.

I will say I hate lotus with the oh I was pushed to L-2 and scum wouldn't jump on it this early which just has me ask. Do. You think your wagon is scum driven then? Tiger gets me on that one it's like your sweating a bit over there.

Also. Lotus I disagree as any vote can make pressure regardless of the day or time. Everyone acts differently depending on even the slightest votes.

Get a town vibe here.
In particular the questioning of Lotus on the wagon tjats formed on them and the composition (alignment-wise) of said wagon.

[clidd]

He has the same role I had in our last game.

No you were a maso

n

, not a maso

m

. Big difference.

Source: English major

I see.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

He has the same role I had in our last game.

No you were a maso

n

, not a maso

m

. Big difference.

Source: English major

I see.

I feel kinda bad now. I remember you saying something about english not being your first language. I was being sarcastic.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Its not the not pressuting or not voting but rather the fence sitting.

What fence am I sitting on? I've said that the lack of an initial rvs vote isn't a bad thing.

I myself want to know the answer to this. The vote and posts have read as town to me thus far and I'm not seeing the cause for concern.

[clidd]

He has the same role I had in our last game.

No you were a maso

n

, not a maso

m

. Big difference.

Source: English major

I see.

I feel kinda bad now. I remember you saying something about english not being your first language. I was being sarcastic.

English is my third language, unfortunately.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Iconeum

Vote: Doobietime

Welcome have a vote.

Hi! Thanks. I'll assume it's not personal at this stage.

@GuiltyLion, @72offsuit, took me a few attempts to find a photo which was small enough but I sacrificed my original idea and found an (albeit less funny) one to fit

72, I was actually going to wait for a few replies as I like to observe people before interacting with them- however I got impatient and wanted to get things started.

Just so she can actually play the game a bit, y'know?

Thank you haha! I'm sure I'll experience a first day lynch/NK at some stage. I'm more concerned with keeping up with everything!

Thanks for the kind welcomes and offers of advice, everybody. I've read the thread so far and there aren't that many conclusions to be drawn for me.

I'm voting Iconeum because when Atarashi justified their comment by saying Lotus did the same thing and therefore should have been scumread too, Iconeum changed their vote. Is 'well if I'm scum then

they're

definitely scum' a good enough reason for an SE to change their vote? Isn't this supposed to be a more or less random voting stage? We have nothing to go on.

Also I feel as though the observations both Atarashi and Lotus made were both making notes for later in the game, a town indicator for me for now. Another reason why Iconeums voting attitude is confusing me.




By the way, is this post too long? I tried to shorten it, but, I'm a wordy person. Always open to feedback.

I pushed atarashi for doing something that pinged me. Then I engaged with atarashi over it, and thought he responded in a very townie manner. The way lotus hopped on without actually voting really pinged me as well, so I switched. It's called sorting. If you think I will vote only to get a lynch, ur mistaken.

You might have nothing to go on, but how will you get something to go on if not pushing players? You don't even have to scumread a player to vote there.

By the way, is this post too long? I tried to shorten it, but, I'm a wordy person. Always open to feedback.

Nah, I wouldn't worry too much about the length. Seems fine to me.

The point about Ico switching vote when and how he did is a pretty good one, in my opinion. Not just with Atarashi's "what about" argument, but it just doesn't flow coherently in context either. Asking for Atarashi's reasoning for why he thinks I'm scummy, getting an argument that does boil down to "if you think I'm scummy, then so are they" and then... Ico switches vote. With no further comment or explanation. On its own that rubs me as very off, but the greater context is even more telling. Namely, thanks to 7/2's initial jokevote, Ico's pushed me to -2. Luckily any even halfway competent scum would not pounce on that at the start of D1, so like I don't feel threatened by it at all.

But, Ico, ol' buddy, ol' pal, do us all a favour here and explain yourself, yeah? You were looking pretty okay in my mind, but combining the immediate vote on Atarashi over something that is a good point but a weak case and then a naked vote following an argument that is fundamentally worse is, frankly, incredibly bad.

For someone who's 'not feeling threatened' for having a couple votes on you, you sure sound stressed. If you think my vote on you was pretty bad and scummy, why are you not pushing me for it?

Searching for a replacement for GuiltyLion. Do not discuss this until after the game is over.

Hello friends

Oh hey wow would you look at that crazy and totally meaningless collection of words and letters

Information

--> two mechanically proven towns.

Is Menalque a proven town just because he said he was or is there more to that assumption?

I don't see a scenario which

Scum!Menalque

would bluff a claim with the risk of receiving a

CC

on the first day.

Do you ?

Spoiler:

That's funny, because I don't see menal with access to the mason pt.

Just reading some quick thoughts. I really don't like how ico just jumped on the wagon with no real reason in 49. It looks like almost to easily an opportunity to just drop a vote down. And just looks scummy to me. Granted lotus just seems a bit lost with not advancing but I don't know their knowledge thus far of the game. And how much mafia they've played.

Oh but I do. I asked them about there experience. Turns out they have quite a bit of it. And the way they write makes me feel they have done this before. If you consider my vote on lotus as easy and opportunistic, what did you feel about lotus agreeing with me a lot on atarashi, but not voting there?

If you say i'm opportunistic, what did you think of my atarashi vote?

[Iconeum]

also

for obvious reasons

VOTE: menal

[Iconeum]

i'd literally be happy to just flashlynch menalque right here and now

[Atarashi Hajimari]

VOTE: mena

Even if ico is lying, 1-for-1ing seems really bad right from the get-go.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: mena

Even if ico is lying, 1-for-1ing seems really bad right from the get-go.

you think that if mena is actually a mason, and i'm scum, scum!me will counterclaim in game instead of just nightkilling him?

[Iconeum]

the real thought here is rather:

if mena is scum, why would he wanna do this?
if mena is town, why would he wanna do this?

it makes no sense from either allignment