Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

[Datisi]

Official Vote Count 1.04

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching

Menalque

(3): Lotus Aura, Iconeum, Atarashi Hajimari

Iconeum

(1): Doobietime

Doobietime

(1): Elmo TeH AzN

Atarashi Hajimari

(1): 72offsuit

Not Voting

(3): clidd, WizenedWalrus, Menalque

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-15 01:30:00).

Mod notes:

• Menalque replaces GuiltyLion.
  
• WizenedWalrus replaces stormey815, awaiting confirmation.
  
• Iconeum standing V/LA weekends.

[Iconeum]

omg i gave you another one?

i'm not sharp this game that's for sure :s

[Atarashi Hajimari]

the real thought here is rather:

if mena is scum, why would he wanna do this?
if mena is town, why would he wanna do this?

it makes no sense from either allignment

Wait, so are you CCing him or no?

[Iconeum]

the real thought here is rather:

if mena is scum, why would he wanna do this?
if mena is town, why would he wanna do this?

it makes no sense from either allignment

Wait, so are you CCing him or no?

[Iconeum]

ask yourself the question:

what does menal hope to gain by claiming that from either allignment

[Menalque]

Interesting

[Iconeum]

does a town!mason!menal really actually claim this early? No
does a town!vanilla!menal really actually claim this? Maybe
does a scum!menal really actually claim this? Maybe

Most benefit here is to scum!menal, which is why i am voting him: either nobody counterclaims and he sets up a fake claim for later, or he goes 1-1 with town power and maybe gets a town PR lynched and learns about the setup.
The only benefit to town!menal is trying to draw a nightkill on him, which is very uncharacteristic for him because he believes (and mostly rightly so) he is a good player capable of solving games. Thus the benefit is really low

[Menalque]

I think this is tentatively +town for the dragon

[Elmo TeH AzN]

the real thought here is rather:

if mena is scum, why would he wanna do this?
if mena is town, why would he wanna do this?

it makes no sense from either allignment

This is my whole issue with this.
Why the hell do you claim on D1? Are we Playing 200 iq game or something for a crazy gambit?
The only thing I can see if this is town sided is to have a NK used on him to make it so the prs can safe claim tomorrow and we have almost two confirmed ICs using this logic

Mafia sided you flush out the prs or try to for a CC claim. Either way this is not good but scummy from either side and pays into

LYL, lynch all liars.

[Iconeum]

I think this is tentatively +town for the dragon

[Iconeum]

the real thought here is rather:

if mena is scum, why would he wanna do this?
if mena is town, why would he wanna do this?

it makes no sense from either allignment

This is my whole issue with this.
Why the hell do you claim on D1? Are we Playing 200 iq game or something for a crazy gambit?
The only thing I can see if this is town sided is to have a NK used on him to make it so the prs can safe claim tomorrow and we have almost two confirmed ICs using this logic

Mafia sided you flush out the prs or try to for a CC claim. Either way this is not good but scummy from either side and pays into

LYL, lynch all liars.

First off, LYL is overrated and will catch town at least equally as much as scum. Thinking town doesn't lie is just wrong. I'm not advocating town to lie, au contraire. But the sad sad truth is what it is.

I'm considering about 1 (one) alternative that menal is doing but i'll let that be up to him to claim that if it's actually just that.

[Iconeum]

Also i'm a bit sad that menal went ahead and pulled that because Lotus is actually just scum here.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

UNVOTE:

[Iconeum]

this is spicey for 7 pages

[Elmo TeH AzN]

First off, LYL is overrated and will catch town at least equally as much as scum. Thinking town doesn't lie is just wrong. I'm not advocating town to lie, au contraire. But the sad sad truth is what it is.

I never said they don't. And of course it will. I'm not saying it's fool proof or doesn't come from its own flaws.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

First off, LYL is overrated and will catch town at least equally as much as scum. Thinking town doesn't lie is just wrong. I'm not advocating town to lie, au contraire. But the sad sad truth is what it is.

I never said they don't. And of course it will. I'm not saying it's fool proof or doesn't come from its own flaws.

...but still lynch all liars?

[Menalque]

Idk why the dragon fake CC’s me unless he’s trying to create a confused nightstate where I may not be the NK tbh

[Menalque]

I would like to get a firmer read on walrus but I really think I’m near to a PoE solve

[Elmo TeH AzN]

One word.
From this bad claim.
Y/N Menalque Scum?

[Menalque]

One word.
From this bad claim.
Y/N Menalque Scum?

N

[Iconeum]

One word.
From this bad claim.
Y/N Menalque Scum?

[Iconeum]

I feel like i'm playing a game of chess vs a friend of mine

he'd always try and trade queens early on, because he felt like he'd gain advantage with it

[Menalque]

I never trade queens

[Iconeum]

Idk why the dragon fake CC’s me unless he’s trying to create a confused nightstate where I may not be the NK tbh

you would rather sacrifice an actual town power role over yourself because you'll feel that you are more capable of solving then the town power role

then sacrifice yourself to save a town power

menal i don't see any town motivation behind your play here

scum!shenanigans in newbie games? probably

can we get some votes on menal please thx

[Menalque]

Icon why is lotus scum?