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Post Post #325 (ISO) » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:17 pm

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In post 324, LuckyLuciano wrote:
In post 293, Homura wrote:
In post 279, CheekyTeeky wrote:I think the rest of my reads are pretty self-explanatory.
What's your read of me, Cheeky?
In post 294, Homura wrote:
In post 281, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:I’m liking Titus enthusiasm this game.
LL had a Townie entrance
Phoenix is contributioning quite a bit. In a more Townie way then scummy.
Tap’s interaction with me felt Genuine Town.
Same question for you.
Is this valuable information? Why?
I would like to hear it as well. Also, has your read on TSE changed, regardless if you think Phoenix is a better lynch?
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Post Post #326 (ISO) » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:42 pm

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@Crush, not really. I'm still keen on lynching the same 4 players.
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Post Post #327 (ISO) » Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:16 pm

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Official Vote Count 1.11
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LynchingWith 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

CheekyTeeky
(3): Tapiocaphobe, Crush, Titus
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(1): Karnage
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(1): TrueSoulEnergy
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(1): CheekyTeeky

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Deadline:
2 days after we get a replacement.


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Tapiocaphobe is being replaced.[/area]
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Post Post #328 (ISO) » Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:47 pm

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Non Imh replaces Tapiocaphobe. Please welcome them! The new deadline is (expired on 2020-03-08 12:00:00).
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Post Post #329 (ISO) » Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:49 pm

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hello~
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Post Post #330 (ISO) » Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:56 pm

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Karnage1 has been prodded and has (expired on 2020-03-07 20:00:00) to post before I start looking for a replacement because the timer runs slower on weekends.
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Post Post #331 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:41 am

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In post 317, LuckyLuciano wrote:How many times are you two going to ask the same question before reading what I post? I've answered this three times, including in my first post in the game.
I'm asking you to go deeper into why you have the reads you do. You say these four players are in your scumbucket but you don't give any real reasons for why
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Post Post #332 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:07 am

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In post 331, Karnage wrote:
In post 317, LuckyLuciano wrote:How many times are you two going to ask the same question before reading what I post? I've answered this three times, including in my first post in the game.
I'm asking you to go deeper into why you have the reads you do. You say these four players are in your scumbucket but you don't give any real reasons for why
I don't know how else you want me to say exactly what I have been. Every other player in the game, I believe have shown signs of being town. These 4 players have not. Obviously not all 4 of them are scum, there are only 2 scum in this game. They are the 4 players that
could
be scum. Some of them I have reason to believe on scum, others are in there simply through process of elimination.
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Post Post #333 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:25 am

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In post 332, LuckyLuciano wrote:I don't know how else you want me to say exactly what I have been. Every other player in the game, I believe have shown signs of being town. These 4 players have not. Obviously not all 4 of them are scum, there are only 2 scum in this game. They are the 4 players that could be scum. Some of them I have reason to believe on scum, others are in there simply through process of elimination.
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Post Post #334 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:50 am

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@LL: Do you genuinely believe that people display similar play depending on what their alignment is? I don't think that's the case. There are some things in the game you are referring to that I wish I had done differently as well as things I think I did right. I'm taking all of this into account for my future games. You can't expect people to behave in the same way when they play a certain role/alignment - it changes, especially when it comes to newbies, like myself. I guess, if you are talking about veterans that have played hundreds of games, there could be an argument that there is a certain pattern when they are playing Town, for example. But to make the same assumptions for a guy for whom this is his 4th game on site? No no no. Definitely not. What I've learned, for example, is that early wagons can potentially provide valuable information. So I didn't judge the people on the Tap wagon and instead let it be. Do I contradict my past self from 1973 by doing that? Hell yes. Is that AI? Absolutely not. Plus, you are referring to 1973, but what about 1976 where I was scum and I played, dare I say, in almost the exact same way I did in 1973? So, same playstyle, different alignments. Here, in this game the playstyle is apparently different from the other two games, where the playstyles are similar. So if that's the case, how is that AI?

In regard to your apparent reaction test on me. Here's one thing that's different from when I played my first game on site. Interpret it however you like - OMGUS gets a bad rap. If you accuse me of being scum right out of the gate without providing reasoning and just simply claiming it, I'm voting you and you should not wonder why I'm voting you. Period.

"I think you, among others, are giving Phoenix far too much towncred for "contributing" when I cannot find one single read he's given in his iso." - Is giving reads the only thing that equals contributing in your opinion? If yes, well then I can see how you see my posts as fluff. If not, then how are my posts fluff, exactly?
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Post Post #335 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:53 am

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In post 314, Plotinus wrote:
When I get a replacement for tapioca, the deadline will be extended so they'll have 2 days to catch up.
You mean it will be extended by 2 days, right? Just to make it clear.
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Post Post #336 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:58 am

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In post 324, LuckyLuciano wrote:
In post 293, Homura wrote:
In post 279, CheekyTeeky wrote:I think the rest of my reads are pretty self-explanatory.
What's your read of me, Cheeky?
In post 294, Homura wrote:
In post 281, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:I’m liking Titus enthusiasm this game.
LL had a Townie entrance
Phoenix is contributioning quite a bit. In a more Townie way then scummy.
Tap’s interaction with me felt Genuine Town.
Same question for you.
Is this valuable information? Why?
I thought you were fond of reads, what's the problem?
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Post Post #337 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:02 am

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In post 278, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 252, Ph0enix wrote:
In post 228, LuckyLuciano wrote: Phoenix is the second scum btw.
Great, you went from a null read on me in to outright calling me scum in . What made you change your opinion so suddenly? There's literally an hour and a half between the two posts. I doubt my is the thing that swayed you. If you are straight up calling someone scum, you might as well explain why. I'm not buying the whole "I don't wanna split the wagon" thing. The desire to quickly lynch someone and move on to D2 also doesn't make much sense. Considering that 1 or even 2 people are about to be replaced, wouldn't it be a better idea to wait for them first? I mean, you either want active players and will wait for the replacements or you just want to get this day over with, you cannot have it both ways.

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This is an average vote.
I've missed that. Why?
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Post Post #338 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:03 am

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In post 334, Ph0enix wrote:@LL: Do you genuinely believe that people display similar play depending on what their alignment is? I don't think that's the case.
Yes.
In post 334, Ph0enix wrote:There are some things in the game you are referring to that I wish I had done differently as well as things I think I did right. I'm taking all of this into account for my future games. You can't expect people to behave in the same way when they play a certain role/alignment - it changes, especially when it comes to newbies, like myself. I guess, if you are talking about veterans that have played hundreds of games, there could be an argument that there is a certain pattern when they are playing Town, for example. But to make the same assumptions for a guy for whom this is his 4th game on site? No no no. Definitely not. What I've learned, for example, is that early wagons can potentially provide valuable information.
What wagon from which game prompted this change in views? Is this the first game where you have decided that early wagons are valuable?
In post 334, Ph0enix wrote:So I didn't judge the people on the Tap wagon and instead let it be. Do I contradict my past self from 1973 by doing that? Hell yes. Is that AI? Absolutely not. Plus, you are referring to 1973, but what about 1976 where I was scum and I played, dare I say, in almost the exact same way I did in 1973? So, same playstyle, different alignments. Here, in this game the playstyle is apparently different from the other two games, where the playstyles are similar. So if that's the case, how is that AI?
You replaced in on DP2 in 1976. It's pointless to use that game at this juncture as a proper read of your scum meta. DP1 plays out far differently than the rest of the game.
In post 334, Ph0enix wrote:In regard to your apparent reaction test on me. Here's one thing that's different from when I played my first game on site. Interpret it however you like - OMGUS gets a bad rap. If you accuse me of being scum right out of the gate without providing reasoning and just simply claiming it, I'm voting you and you should not wonder why I'm voting you. Period.
I am wondering, actually. Why is this the case?
In post 334, Ph0enix wrote:"I think you, among others, are giving Phoenix far too much towncred for "contributing" when I cannot find one single read he's given in his iso." - Is giving reads the only thing that equals contributing in your opinion? If yes, well then I can see how you see my posts as fluff. If not, then how are my posts fluff, exactly?
Yes.
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Post Post #339 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:09 am

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In post 338, LuckyLuciano wrote: What wagon from which game prompted this change in views? Is this the first game where you have decided that early wagons are valuable?
1976 started with a very early wagon and it's what got the game going. Granted, I was not there when it happened as I replaced, but still, form a Town POV I think Town managed to gain information from that.
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Post Post #340 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:10 am

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In post 338, LuckyLuciano wrote:
In post 334, Ph0enix wrote:"I think you, among others, are giving Phoenix far too much towncred for "contributing" when I cannot find one single read he's given in his iso." - Is giving reads the only thing that equals contributing in your opinion? If yes, well then I can see how you see my posts as fluff. If not, then how are my posts fluff, exactly?
Yes.
Well then, I suppose we agree to disagree.
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Post Post #341 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:11 am

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In post 338, LuckyLuciano wrote: You replaced in on DP2 in 1976. It's pointless to use that game at this juncture as a proper read of your scum meta. DP1 plays out far differently than the rest of the game.
But I replaced on D1.
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Post Post #342 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:12 am

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In post 338, LuckyLuciano wrote: I am wondering, actually. Why is this the case?
Why is what the case? The phrasing confused me here.
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Post Post #343 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:13 am

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In post 335, Ph0enix wrote:
In post 314, Plotinus wrote:
When I get a replacement for tapioca, the deadline will be extended so they'll have 2 days to catch up.
You mean it will be extended by 2 days, right? Just to make it clear.
Missed the post above, my bad.
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Post Post #344 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:15 am

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In post 329, Non lmh wrote:hello~
Hi, Non.
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Post Post #345 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:33 am

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In post 342, Ph0enix wrote:
In post 338, LuckyLuciano wrote: I am wondering, actually. Why is this the case?
Why is what the case? The phrasing confused me here.
Why is it that,
In post 334, Ph0enix wrote:If you accuse me of being scum right out of the gate without providing reasoning and just simply claiming it, I'm voting you and you should not wonder why I'm voting you. Period.
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Post Post #346 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:34 am

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In post 336, Ph0enix wrote:
In post 324, LuckyLuciano wrote:
In post 293, Homura wrote:
In post 279, CheekyTeeky wrote:I think the rest of my reads are pretty self-explanatory.
What's your read of me, Cheeky?
In post 294, Homura wrote:
In post 281, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:I’m liking Titus enthusiasm this game.
LL had a Townie entrance
Phoenix is contributioning quite a bit. In a more Townie way then scummy.
Tap’s interaction with me felt Genuine Town.
Same question for you.
Is this valuable information? Why?
I thought you were fond of reads, what's the problem?
Answering questions for other people, or derailing those questions before they are answered, does not help the town.
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Post Post #347 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:38 am

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In post 339, Ph0enix wrote:
In post 338, LuckyLuciano wrote: What wagon from which game prompted this change in views? Is this the first game where you have decided that early wagons are valuable?
1976 started with a very early wagon and it's what got the game going. Granted, I was not there when it happened as I replaced, but still, form a Town POV I think Town managed to gain information from that.
Elabortate.
In post 341, Ph0enix wrote:
In post 338, LuckyLuciano wrote: You replaced in on DP2 in 1976. It's pointless to use that game at this juncture as a proper read of your scum meta. DP1 plays out far differently than the rest of the game.
But I replaced on D1.
My mistake, you replaced in 330 posts into a DP1 which is still far different than starting the game as mafia. You understood the point I was making.
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Post Post #348 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:38 am

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@Phoenix, who would you like to lynch this dp?
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Post Post #349 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:38 am

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In post 345, LuckyLuciano wrote:
In post 342, Ph0enix wrote:
In post 338, LuckyLuciano wrote: I am wondering, actually. Why is this the case?
Why is what the case? The phrasing confused me here.
Why is it that,
In post 334, Ph0enix wrote:If you accuse me of being scum right out of the gate without providing reasoning and just simply claiming it, I'm voting you and you should not wonder why I'm voting you. Period.
If you think it needs explaining in the first place, I can't possibly explain it to you.
LuckyLuciano wrote: Answering questions for other people, or derailing those questions before they are answered, does not help the town.
Such questions won't help much, either.
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