Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

[Datisi]

Official Vote Count 1.07

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching

Menalque

(2): Elmo TeH AzN, 72offsuit

Iconeum

(2): Doobietime, Lotus Aura

Not Voting

(5): clidd, WizenedWalrus, Menalque, Atarashi Hajimari, Iconeum

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-15 01:30:00).

Mod notes:

• Menalque replaces GuiltyLion.
  
• WizenedWalrus replaces stormey815, awaiting confirmation.
  
• Iconeum standing V/LA weekends.

[Iconeum]

WHAT NO NOT AGAIN

[Menalque]

you think newbies are gonna see what you are doing and play along?

no

you would destroy a newbie power role player for no reason other then shenanigans

This is quite a fair point, that I hadn’t totally considered

But I also think that a newbie might have the forebearance to think “why is this player claiming this?” And to realise that masons is literally the worst claim to make as scum because it means you have to get to 5p lylo with your partner, without hitting a PR at night, and without anyone believing a real PR over you

So I would expect them to probe the claim, maybe be sceptical, but not necessarily immediately out as a CC

[Menalque]

i really don't know what you were trying to achieve menal

if any of the new players were a power role, they wouldn't know what to do

they'd have to either fish something like 'ehm guys should the actual pr counterclaim if there is one hahahah gettit hmm?'
or full blown counterclaim you resulting in this situation as well

there's not a lot of worlds where you achieve anything good from this

if ur actually town then this was out of place and lessons are hopefully learned

and ofcourse there's just a world where this is scum!you going for a big brain play

I think we disagree on how to approach a newbie

I’m here to have fun

People will fakeclaim in non-newbies, sometimes to the advantage of town, sometimes to its detriment

Newbies are here to learn, and the truth is that people do not play “by the book” very much at all. And doing so is a really easy way to get duped by scum who play “by the book”

[Menalque]

There is literally no worse claim that scum!mena could make than masons

T/F?

[clidd]

Hum. Im thinking.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

This game is making my head hurt just from the last few pages

[clidd]

Yes, absolutely.

[Iconeum]

Newbies are here to learn, and the truth is that people do not play “by the book” very much at all. And doing so is a really easy way to get duped by scum who play “by the book”

i've got a perfect lesson for them right here

[Menalque]

Newbies are here to learn, and the truth is that people do not play “by the book” very much at all. And doing so is a really easy way to get duped by scum who play “by the book”

i've got a perfect lesson for them right here

What are you even saying

[Menalque]

Pretty sure that about 80% of the last few pages is just icon feeling like he needs to show the world he’s got a bigger one than me instead of actually taking a step back and looking at my play in which case he’d know that I’m incredibly obvtown rn and we could get on to working together to solve the game

[Iconeum]

Pretty sure that about 80% of the last few pages is just icon feeling like he needs to show the world he’s got a bigger one than me instead of actually taking a step back and looking at my play in which case he’d know that I’m incredibly obvtown rn and we could get on to working together to solve the game

i don't have much of an ego tho, especially on-site

and like i said, i think i was trying to solve the game prior to when you drew up all the attention with that fake claim

but now it's my fault and i have to take a step back? after i gave you the chance to back down from shenanigan play?

no

[Menalque]

It’s your fault if you

continue

to not let it go despite it having become obvious what my alignment is and that that play wouldn’t come from scum

[Menalque]

However much you may think it was a bad play

[Iconeum]

we'll see how everyone feels about this situation

[clidd]

I believe it is unlikely that

Menalque

is

scum

based on the time between those first three posts and the claim. Having

Guilty Lion

as

scum

, in theory, should suggest that there was content to read at

scum PT

, so

Menalque

would need more time to convince his partner to agree with such a suicide plan like this.

[clidd]

The way it was executed, without delay, indicates that the

mason

situation immediately came to his mind in some way. Perhaps our game in common, perhaps some additional information - something that a

VT

would not have, or just a safe guess to not characterize a

CC

of the cop or doctor, if any.

[clidd]

I have difficulties to discriminate such event as a coefficient that justifies the scenario

scum!Mena

, because it implies that he would abandon the progression of his predecessor and would impose his own pace of play.

Theoretically, this movement would be more appropriate with the self-confident profile I expect from him, unless, of course, he is trying to perform something that I have not yet seen from him. But that would not explain the effort applied because it is a newbie game, where he would have other safer and more coherent means of winning as a

scum

.

[Doobietime]

Wow, so the thread has doubled in size since I went to sleep... There's so many points of view to look at this from I'm going to need a long minute.

[WizenedWalrus]

Hi all,

I've skimmed through the thread, and to be honest I feel pretty lost. I've played a few online mafia/werewolf games at another site, but this is my first game here, and the terminology and abbreviations everyone is using here are foreign to me, so I'll take a while to adjust I imagine.

Looking at the setup notes, it doesn't look like it's possible to have masons and another flavor of power townie in the game at the same time, or am I misunderstanding the table?

Off to a meeting, but will get back to re-reading over lunch.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

terminology and abbreviations everyone is using here are foreign to me

What terms?

[WizenedWalrus]

terminology and abbreviations everyone is using here are foreign to me

What terms?

terms like: SSS, PoE, etc. and also how to read stuff like (term)!(term) -- I kinda guess based on the color coding, but not really sure how you're supposed to parse that. I think there were a few more things in the rules as I was skimming through them, but can't remember off the top of my head.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

PoE: Process of Elimination
(term)!(term) is mostly meta related on how people are looking compared from one game to another.
SSS I am not sure about.

[Doobietime]

So... Much... Cross-referencing.

I think I'm getting a wrinkle from frowning at my screen every time I pick up my phone and try to sort this out in my head

[Atarashi Hajimari]

(1) I had the idea from pure boi doing it with me in a game that just finished — clidd can confirm

Still catching up but I can also confirm this