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[insomnia]

If I could’ve made you understood my read, you would’ve known why already. I can’t. Still working on it.

I am better at town reads than I am at scum reads, take it or leave it.

[bob3141]

I dont get why so many are still on titus. Tse doubled down on his claim so titus cant back out of it. Migth be different question if that slot keeps suriving the nigh. As with the size of the game there are going to be many times his claim can be put to the test.

Now some are hard pushign and atleast it looks like conviction but some reads on that slot are quite weak. So dont get given the chances that the slot can be self resolving they want to kill it today.

. Name someone who you think is on that wagon whose reasoning you think is weak/surprises you that they are still on Titus, please.

With nero you can see why he is still voting titus. As he has allot of content there in regards to tse.

You have uncrowned, vault who are still on him but are generally lurking.

Hectic seems to not want to leave based on him claiming that he expects titus to claim to be rb. But at the same time he is commenting quite wide.

not much behind yiley, tic tac vote for tse in my opinion

You have cat scratch that first seem to push against the tse wagon but then flipped onto it. At first he was pushing against the lynch when he ask nero why would he fake claim loud bodyguard as scum. So clearly he started of in his progression not thinking that a scum tse woudl make such a claim. And then with nothing he flipps to not buying his claim. No thouughts as to why. That was when teh wagon really started to grow.

All i can see from him is that he dont beleive the claim and that he says tse gets lamist when he gets run up.

i think cats vote looks very opportunistic. As before tse got run up to its hight he was pushign back agaisnt those who suspected those defending tse. Like aaron as well as showing disbeleif at tse makign such a claim. when the wagon was still in the low numbers, well for 50p. But jumped on once another 4-6 votes had piled up

[Kirari Momobami]

Cat has been making a lot of lowkey but productive meta arguments, I think that slot is town and I disagree with the vote being opportunistic

[SausasaurusRex]

Sorry, I was gone for a little while. I had thought the reasoning for my vote was obvious, but it appears not. Whilst I am certainly not newbie scum, I am newbie large. I have never before played in a game with over 13 people, and I'm finding it very hard to keep track. I'm struggling with keeping track of everything everyone's saying, but what I can do is have townreads. Whilst I might not be insightful enough to draw my own conclusions, (at least at this stage, once we get more information I promise I'm better), I felt that I could have certain townreads that I trust. They are yet to do anything I have seen as scummy, and so I trust them to put their vote in the right place. Therefore, I followed their conclusions and voted as they did. Please note that this is not sheeping. Sheeping is voting the wagon with the most votes. What I am doing is voting the person that my townreads vote, and also making sure their reasoning doesn't seem illogical before I do so.
Now, about what TheFonz said about me being scum. TheFonz has never before played with me, and so I don't blame him for his lack of knowledge about me. But no matter my alignment, I am always self-conscious. Put it this way: I know that I am definitely town. It is impossible for me to be wrong about this. Therefore, if I get myself lynched, I am helping the anti-town aligned players. Therefore, I should try my hardest not to seem scummy, as that helps me not get lynched. I know this holds for any alignment, but, if you wish, you can look at my meta to see I am always like this.
When I said that Tictac is the person to vote now, that was because new information may arise. It may turn out that Tictac is town, in which case Tictac was not the right lynch. But currently, unless someone does somethig stupid, I will vote Tictac.
TheFonz also says that I seem unused to being scum. However, I argue that, were I scum, I would have had 5 others to help me. If I were the player that is aligned with only himself (I don't know what alignment this is called, so I'm going to refer to it as the one-man), then I would certainly have remained quieter. There was no reason for one-man me to vote someone, as I don't care who is lynched, provided it is not me. I would have simply asked questions and appeared to be thinking about it, whilst I waited for everyone else to lynch themselves.

[The Fonz]

Yah that last post doesn't exactly scream "Not newbie scum" to me.

[Not Known 15]

But currently, unless someone does somethig

stupid

, I will vote Tictac.

SCUM
A townie would say unless someone does something scummy; but not stupid.
That`s a slip up
VOTE: SausasaurusRex

[The Fonz]

To be a little less glib: Sausa, who are these town reads you trust? You literally haven't said one word about anyone's alignment. Why are you voting Tictac? Given that Tictac is one of the leading wagons, how does voting there square with the extreme caution you seem to be presenting yourself as having with regard to everything else?

[The Fonz]

Also about to step into work so want to say this first: I actually find Nero's defence of Tictac relatively convincing. I can buy that Tic started off wanting to PL TSE then just hated the claim.

[Amrun]

i'm tired of her antics, regardless of alignment but I could see her as scum.

and upon reflection

Gut instinct, at least one of Black Ranger/tic tac is scum but they are not on the same team.

Black Ranger (5): The Fonz, Almost50, NorwegianboyEE, AaronFrost, Elsa Jay
tictac (4): insomnia, Rhinox, Black Ranger, Not Known 15

she comes in and her top two scum reads just happen to be the top two wagons that aren't her.

This is such backwards thinking.

She said that BECAUSE they were the top two wagons not her. It wasn’t a coincidence. She’s saying because her wagon picked up instead of theirs, that one of them is likely scum.

[SausasaurusRex]

But currently, unless someone does somethig

stupid

, I will vote Tictac.

SCUM
A townie would say unless someone does something scummy; but not stupid.
That`s a slip up
VOTE: SausasaurusRex

It’s not. Someone can do something scummy, but if I believe both people to be scum and am fine with either one being lynched, I’m obviously going to keep voting Tictac as he’s the more likely lynch. In contrast, if someone does something

absolutely

stupid, and there is no way town could have possibly done it, I’m going to vote them.

[profii]

But currently, unless someone does somethig

stupid

, I will vote Tictac.

SCUM
A townie would say unless someone does something scummy; but not stupid.
That`s a slip up
VOTE: SausasaurusRex

I disagree. I think this says its easy to cruise day 1 with so many players so unless someone does something stupid, ie a scum slip, he will vote tictac

Seems like a logical position that I share so as I say , I disagree

[insomnia]

Man i hate this amrun post to the point where I want to call her and Titus both scum

[profii]

I am not going to effort this game. I'm too busy

kool story bro. you mind if I target you tonight?

Help yourself I'm a reflexive role blocker, ascetic bulletproof commuter so do take that into consideration

[SausasaurusRex]

In response to TheFonz’s post on who my townreads are, my strongest ones are Elsa Jay and Insomnia, who both voted Tictac. I trust their judgement.

[The Fonz]

Man i hate this amrun post to the point where I want to call her and Titus both scum

Funny I had the exact opposite reaction.

[insomnia]

How did she get such a clear insight into titus’ head just from her saying 2 scum reads?

Nero’s point makes a lot more reasonable an assumption to make than what amrun’s saying. How did she conclude that unless she went from the premise of Titus town?

In hindsight this can actually spew titus town if amrun is scum, or at least they’re not on the same team for sure for sure

[The Fonz]

In response to TheFonz’s post on who my townreads are, my strongest ones are Elsa Jay and Insomnia, who both voted Tictac. I trust their judgement.

Cool. Why?

[AaronFrost]

Really felt like they were trying to justify hopping on the TSE bandwagon.

Why is justifying a vote scummy?

This felt like a weird thing to point out

Why is observing that someone is off on tone because they're doing an impersonation "weird"? Isn't that just shutting down a bad argument by providing new information?

This felt like a weird reason to scumread Chemist as well.

Why is it a "weird" reason to you and not a "scummy" reason if you're saying she's scum for it? Like I don't know how well chemist and tictac and wake all know each other but I don't think it's likely tictac is going to get a lynch on chemist for failing to notice Hectic doing a wake impression

Like I feel like you're more focusing on convoluted thought processes rather than scummy thought processes

Scum want to hop on wagons, but they don't want to hop on wagons without reason, they want to give some justification for it.

The thing with tictac pointing out Wake's meta felt weird to me, generally weird = scummy. Wake, who is modding the game btw not playing it, is someone who is known to say "I hate Day 1" and then proceeds to lurk for the entire day. Hectic's doing the same thing here, the difference being that Hectic is actually playing the game whereas if he wanted to imitate Wake's playstyle he would just continue to lurk, which he's not. There's no correlation between their play here.

[insomnia]

Man that Amrun post requires some mental contortion if you don’t know anyone’s alignment

VOTE: Amrun

[SausasaurusRex]

I just get a towny vibe from them. They make insightful reads and arguments, and they don’t appear to have done anything scummy. Whilst you can’t see it, me and Elsa Jay are in a neighbourhood together. None of us have put much in their, but Elsa asks useful questions and makes statements that may not be immediately obvious, it appears as though she’s looking for information, which is always a towny thing to do, as scum knows everyone else alignment anyway. They know who they cannot kill, whereas town is forced to search for information.

[profii]

How did she get such a clear insight into titus’ head just from her saying 2 scum reads?

Nero’s point makes a lot more reasonable an assumption to make than what amrun’s saying. How did she conclude that unless she went from the premise of Titus town?

In hindsight this can actually spew titus town if amrun is scum, or at least they’re not on the same team for sure for sure

I could have swore someone already said it and am amrun was simplifying it for clarity but I couldn't see it in titus ISO then I stopped looking

But I had a similar reaction to The Fonz (eyyyyyy)

[insomnia]

Wow I’m gonna hold you accountable for this

I have a brand new tunnel.

[AaronFrost]

I've looked at Profii's ISO. And while i don't see much reason to outright believe he is town. I'd prefer putting tictacs vote on TSE and Black Ranger's supposed weird hood playstyle under more scrutiny. They are scummier.

just in case you didn't get my point why I think profii is scummy for having more town reads than scum reads. There are 37 town, a second scum team of 6 and a SK. That's effectively 44 town. He can call practically the entire game town and be mostly right. Town reading is a low key pocket. He's scum but ok.

This might be true if we're in singleball, but in multiball scum genuinely have to scumhunt too and probably have more incentive to do so to fulfill their wincon. Why would it make sense for scum to try and pocket someone when their goal is to eliminate the other scum team?

[Kirari Momobami]

Elsa, sausage just said you haven't done anything scummy. You gonna take that from him?

[Pink Ball]

Yaaaaaay Mr Hollow Knight is back