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[The Fonz]

I have really solid reads sometimes. This discredit doesn't feel great.

Being attacked with infuriating crap logic and motivated reasoning also does not feel great.

[Amrun]

Man that Amrun post requires some mental contortion if you don’t know anyone’s alignment

VOTE: Amrun

Actually, it only requires basic reading comprehension and know that Titus hadn’t read the game at that point, which she is not only well known for, but explicitly said.

[Amrun]

"If I'm replacing in as town and am the leading wagon then I might be the counterwagon to scum" isn't as wild a thought as you make it seem, although it does happen to mirror wolfy survivalism so I don't really know why amrun is choosing one interpretation over the other unless she strongly feels titus is town for other reasons

This is multiball. I do kinda think Titus is town but that was irrelevant to the comment. It’s multiball.

[Nero Cain]

Or to put it another way, you could have two scum in your eight strong scum reads and still be doing worse than the abovementioned monkey.

but I could still be wrong on all 8.

I have a 2% chance to be right on any of those 8 So im not getting

so fucking many scum reads (or "reads") you're gonna be right on a few of them by simple chance.

[Amrun]

"If I'm replacing in as town and am the leading wagon then I might be the counterwagon to scum" isn't as wild a thought as you make it seem, although it does happen to mirror wolfy survivalism so I don't really know why amrun is choosing one interpretation over the other unless she strongly feels titus is town for other reasons

Bingo. Why is she that confident in Titus town?

And it’s not a wild thought. It’s an insane thought.

In a game where town are uninformed, interpretations like Nero’s are the more townier ones. Town have to scum hunt. Amrun’s interpretation there is ridiculous if it comes from an uninformed PoV. Even if she town read her, I doubt she’d go such great lengths of thoughts to explain why that action comes from town!Titus.

She justified it as a counter to Nero’s accusation, it wasn’t even something picked up on the go. You need to have a high confidence read on someone in order to twist your mind like that, fall into wifom assumptions and come up even half as confident as Amrun looked stating that now.

It’s mind boggling.

Nero’s interpretation is just bad. Why would anyone EVER assume that Titus expects us to think she randomly scumread the top wagons?

That’s just like.... bonkers.

I don’t even think the comment makes Nero scum, just hilariously wrong. I was enlightening him so that he can course correct if he is town and think about it more logically.

The comment wasn’t about Titus’ alignment. But everyone should be speaking from a town perspective, so from Titus’ POV, she would be talking about herself as town so that’s the perspective her comment would come from, true or not.

[Nero Cain]

explicitly said.

yes she hadn't read the game

why does that mean she had to scumread the top 2 not her wagons? What was the logic there?

[Amrun]

"If I'm replacing in as town and am the leading wagon then I might be the counterwagon to scum" isn't as wild a thought as you make it seem, although it does happen to mirror wolfy survivalism so I don't really know why amrun is choosing one interpretation over the other unless she strongly feels titus is town for other reasons

Bingo. Why is she that confident in Titus town?

And it’s not a wild thought. It’s an insane thought.

In a game where town are uninformed, interpretations like Nero’s are the more townier ones. Town have to scum hunt. Amrun’s interpretation there is ridiculous if it comes from an uninformed PoV. Even if she town read her, I doubt she’d go such great lengths of thoughts to explain why that action comes from town!Titus.

She justified it as a counter to Nero’s accusation, it wasn’t even something picked up on the go. You need to have a high confidence read on someone in order to twist your mind like that, fall into wifom assumptions and come up even half as confident as Amrun looked stating that now.

It’s mind boggling.

I dont think its mind boggling for amrun to empathise with Titus position in the game and thus for amrun to think about how titus is seeing the world

Bearing in mind Titus position is "I know I'm town so why are these wagons forming around me"

I dont see amrun as saying "im confident Titus is town and agreeing with her"

I do see amrun as saying "Titus is asserting she is town and making the following conclusions...."

Thank you, dear baby Jesus. I honestly did not think this would be difficult.


FTR, at the point I’m at I’m vibing with AF scumread.

[The Fonz]

Or to put it another way, you could have two scum in your eight strong scum reads and still be doing worse than the abovementioned monkey.

but I could still be wrong on all 8.

I have a 2% chance to be right on any of those 8 So im not getting

so fucking many scum reads (or "reads") you're gonna be right on a few of them by simple chance.

The chance of any given player being scum is 13/50. If you're town yourself, 13/49. I don't know where you get 2% from. Pick a player at random, they're scum just over 25% of the time.

[Nero Cain]

even if Titus was town I don't understand the logic for why she thinks the two biggest not her wagons contain scum.

[Amrun]

explicitly said.

yes she hadn't read the game

why does that mean she had to scumread the top 2 not her wagons? What was the logic there?

Because it is pretty normal to think at least one of the counterwagons is scum that if there are two counterwagons to a claimed BG, which is an objectively suboptimal lynch, and the BG is winning by a long shot. Especially from someone who has just gotten, or is pretending to have gotten, a town role PM on that slot and has not yet read the game.

[Amrun]

even if Titus was town I don't understand the logic for why she thinks the two biggest not her wagons contain scum.

The idea is that scum wagons don’t take off as easily because their scummates are subtly discouraging them.


Because this slot was TSE, who was being distracting, I’m not sure that holds true here in reality, but that’s obviously what Titus meant by that comment.

[Nero Cain]

normal to think at least one of the counterwagons is scum

it is?

If presumably town Titus is getting wagoned why would scum EVER counter wagon that especially with my big ass leading the charge?

[Amrun]

How did she get such a clear insight into titus’ head just from her saying 2 scum reads?

Nero’s point makes a lot more reasonable an assumption to make than what amrun’s saying. How did she conclude that unless she went from the premise of Titus town?

In hindsight this can actually spew titus town if amrun is scum, or at least they’re not on the same team for sure for sure

I'm treating it as NAI for now, but watching for buddying now that you've flagged it

I'm very predictable in terms of looking at day 1 to solve alignments. It's something that most anyone could predict that I'd look at the most recent VC and say something.

The only reason I laid off as much in TvA is that I was expecting vote fuckery that never really csme.

God no Titus why you too?

Yes, I was drawing off of my knowledge of your play, but I wasn’t calling you town. I thought you were though, separately, but I really dislike this post.

I still don’t really care since your claim is self resolving.

[The Fonz]

Yeah, it makes sense if you've not read. Problem is it makes no sense to assume that if you have read and know the claimed BG was wagoned way before either of those wagons rose up and neither have ever gotten close.

[Amrun]

normal to think at least one of the counterwagons is scum

it is?

If presumably town Titus is getting wagoned why would scum EVER counter wagon that especially with my big ass leading the charge?

That’s the point. The counterwagons were paltry and ineffective at that time. I’m not saying they were scum driven wagons. The opposite, actually, at least in this hypothetical proposed scenario.

[Amrun]

Yeah, it makes sense if you've not read. Problem is it makes no sense to assume that if you have read and know the claimed BG was wagoned way before either of those wagons rose up and neither have ever gotten close.

Right, but we know that Titus has NOT.

(I haven’t read that portion of the game either, but that’s irrelevant.)

[The Fonz]

normal to think at least one of the counterwagons is scum

it is? ?

Yes, and it is SPECIFICALLY normal for Titus. In the just finished Boon game she spent most of her time arguing that because there were three wagons day one, the one that took off was town, therefore one of the others had to be scum.

[The Fonz]

Yeah, it makes sense if you've not read. Problem is it makes no sense to assume that if you have read and know the claimed BG was wagoned way before either of those wagons rose up and neither have ever gotten close.

Right, but we know that Titus has NOT.

(I haven’t read that portion of the game either, but that’s irrelevant.)

it's relevant in the sense someone has to mention it at some point to let Titus know her reads are based on untrue assumptions.

[Amrun]

She’s saying because her wagon picked up instead of theirs, that one of them is likely scum.

how would she know that if she hadn't read? Also untrue. TSE was the original wagon. It's not like the BR wagons and tic tac wagons were there and her wagon overtook them. If her thats he logic doesn't that make her scum now since the tic tac wagon has now overtaken her?

You’re saying this because you read the game. She was looking at the last vote count only. That’s the part you’re missing.

[Amrun]

Yeah, it makes sense if you've not read. Problem is it makes no sense to assume that if you have read and know the claimed BG was wagoned way before either of those wagons rose up and neither have ever gotten close.

Right, but we know that Titus has NOT.

(I haven’t read that portion of the game either, but that’s irrelevant.)

it's relevant in the sense someone has to mention it at some point to let Titus know her reads are based on untrue assumptions.

Good point.

[Amrun]

neither you or AF are town.

Also, why have you not responded to the allegation that your dual scum reads on the top two not you wagons are scummy?

Are you just content to let Amrun defend you? How do you feel about her defending you?

Literally wasn’t defending her.

I don’t care about Titus’ alignment at all because it’s self resolving. Yours, though, I’m very interested in so I wanted to see if your reads were really that shallow or if you were interesting in deepening your understanding of the players you are ostensibly scumreading.

[Amrun]

And for the record it seems like re-evaluating is difficult for you but that you are sorta trying. So that’s good I think.

[The Fonz]

I'm probs going to try to avoid engaging Nero the rest of the day tbh because I'm not especially interested in lynching him and I don't think talking to him helps me scumhunt.

[Wake1]

Official Vote Count

1.09

tictac

(14): Rhinox, Black Ranger, Titus, AaronFrost, Amrun, gobbledygook, Almost50, Elsa Jay, profii, Dolly Parton, SausasaurusRex, Psyche, NorwegianboyEE, Hectic

Titus

(5): Jackal711, Uncrowned, Yiley, VaultDweller, Nero Cain

SausasaurusRex

(3): The Fonz, Not Known 15, Cat Scratch Fever

Garmr

(1): bob3141

AaronFrost

(1): Kirari Momobami

profii

(1): Egix96

Amrun

(1): insomnia

Chemist1422

(1): tictac

clidd

(1): Pink Ball

BBMolla

(1): Garmr

Something_Smart

(1): DrDolittle

Black Ranger

(1): Drixx

Not Voting

(19): NotAJumbleOfNumbers, clidd, UltimatePlank, eth0s, Non Imh, davesaz, dsjstr, Chemist1422, Pine, Something_Smart, EeveeLution Army, pisskop, QuantumQuasar, Jamelia, Golden Robster, BBMolla, ar98mubarik, hersho, Emperor FlippyNips

With 50 alive, it takes 26 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-03-22 10:04:00)

[The Fonz]

Signing off for the night, my break is nearly over. @Titus please read Sausasaurus' ISO, it's a short one and I think he's a better counterwagon than Tictac to you.