Newbie 1988 | Octopus | Over

[Wooper]

i literally couldn't digest QQ's posting which made me like, not really inclined to shift them off null, so by process of elimination they're probably more likely to Just Be Town

tbh with crush i just like his posting
liek i wanna be friends w him
i'm deferring having a stronger read on him til i'm more into the game & we're here at the same time but i also think that slot is more likely to be town


i actually kinda liked the gut vote in isolation but when you put it like that it actually checks out as associative o.0

[Homura]

I agree. I kinda want to sort LL and Nom for VCA reasons.

I strongly feel TSE was being a town asshole yesterday.

I still feel Homura is town.

Where do you stand on the Cheeky slot, Titus?

[Wooper]

i have a naem u kno

[Wooper]

[LuckyLuciano]

I'm looking back at Karnage's ISO now that we know he is town. He immediately called out Tapi and Titus both as scum in 64.

When Tapi responds to this post in 76 he removes the parts of the quote where Karnage accuses him of buddying Titus.

Titus' first post after Karnage's entrance is in 72 where she seems to be asking other players to start pressing against Karnage for her. In the interim QQ posts what seems to be nonsense, giving Titus room to make a fluff post in 83 and then after enough time has passed to avoid it looking like OMGUS, Titus votes Karnage in 94. Keep in mind, Titus claims that Karnage is scum with Cheeky, the other player whom immediately began to suspect her of being scum.

I'm still really bothered by the fact that in 220 Titus asked for me to elaborate my townread on Cheeky, which I did in 221 by ISOing every single Cheeky post thus far. When I later asked Titus about this she responded in 424, effectively dismissing the entire analysis as being flawed because early aggression isn't a sign of being town even though she earlier claimed to like my entrance when the largest portion of it was townreading her

for her early aggression

.

Non's iso bothers me. All I really gather from it is (A) they want to lynch Cheeky without reason, (B) they are fine with just hammering, also without reason, and (C) they are obsessed with providing bipolar reads of Titus that will inevitably change directions faster than a ping pong ball.

[Homura]

Tse was very much against the environment that LL vs Phoenix is bringing into the game. He believes it favors mafia, especially if both sides are town. I'm not a big fan of it myself, but I see that it makes sense, reading through LL vs Phoenix was a chore to me.

I'm not a fan of voting for a player I was reading as town just because they'll end up clashing with another player I also read as town. Can't see the town!TSE motivation — town doesn't advocate for a flimsily-reasoned policy lynch at that stage of the game, but scum!TSE benefits.

[LuckyLuciano]

I think it's either Tapi/Non + Titus or TSE/CJN + Cheeky/Wooper.

[Homura]

ceejay, can I have a readslist from you?

[LuckyLuciano]

TSE + Cheeky interactions would require far more complex mafia strategy that I'm willing to buy, however. Let's drop a VOTE: Titus for now.

[Homura]

Titus is my biggest question mark. Concur with wanting her sorted today.

[Titus]

claimed to like my entrance when the largest portion of it was townreading her for her early aggression.

Non's iso bothers me. All I really gather from it is (A) they want to lynch Cheeky without reason, (B) they are fine with just hammering, also without reason, and (C) they are obsessed with providing bipolar reads of Titus that will inevitably change directions faster than a ping pong ball.

Using this to follow up.

First, I didn't like you because you liked me or because of the early aggression. I am bothered by you scumreading both TSE and me. My reexamination over the night phase has TSE at greater than 75% town. Putting us in a dichotomy is bad. Second, you do knowing one of your other scumreads, nom, will capitalize.

I am leaning against Cheeky now Whooper being scum. I am not 100% certain. The amount of backtracking wooper did bought him some time with me, but maybe I am a sucker for those who agree with me.

Suppose TSE and I are both town, what happens to your reads?

VOTE: Non

[LuckyLuciano]

claimed to like my entrance when the largest portion of it was townreading her for her early aggression.

Non's iso bothers me. All I really gather from it is (A) they want to lynch Cheeky without reason, (B) they are fine with just hammering, also without reason, and (C) they are obsessed with providing bipolar reads of Titus that will inevitably change directions faster than a ping pong ball.

Using this to follow up.

First, I didn't like you because you liked me or because of the early aggression. I am bothered by you scumreading both TSE and me. My reexamination over the night phase has TSE at greater than 75% town. Putting us in a dichotomy is bad. Second, you do knowing one of your other scumreads, nom, will capitalize.

I am leaning against Cheeky now Whooper being scum. I am not 100% certain. The amount of backtracking wooper did bought him some time with me, but maybe I am a sucker for those who agree with me.

Suppose TSE and I are both town, what happens to your reads?

VOTE: Non

Is your vote against Non for the reasons I mentioned in my post, or do you have something to add?

And if you and TSE are both town, and we lynch both of you, then given we have only 1 mislynch left we lose. Why does it matter what happens to my reads at that point?

[LuckyLuciano]

claimed to like my entrance when the largest portion of it was townreading her for her early aggression.

Non's iso bothers me. All I really gather from it is (A) they want to lynch Cheeky without reason, (B) they are fine with just hammering, also without reason, and (C) they are obsessed with providing bipolar reads of Titus that will inevitably change directions faster than a ping pong ball.

Using this to follow up.

First, I didn't like you because you liked me or because of the early aggression. I am bothered by you scumreading both TSE and me. My reexamination over the night phase has TSE at greater than 75% town. Putting us in a dichotomy is bad.

Second, you do knowing one of your other scumreads, nom, will capitalize.

I am leaning against Cheeky now Whooper being scum. I am not 100% certain. The amount of backtracking wooper did bought him some time with me, but maybe I am a sucker for those who agree with me.

Suppose TSE and I are both town, what happens to your reads?

VOTE: Non

Can you explain what you mean by the bolded statement?

[Titus]

(C) they are obsessed with providing bipolar reads of Titus that will inevitably change directions faster than a ping pong ball.

This quote here shows you're well aware scum Nom will vote me anyway because his read is waffling and depends on the group. Your scum Nom case is pretty good and the fact Nom is waffling on me without detailing why is something worth pushing.

It's ok to "want me sorted" but not to waffle and be unclear what, if anything, he wants sorted.

[LuckyLuciano]

But I'm saying that Titus!Scum = Nom!Scum. How would that allow Nom!Scum to capitalize by voting you?

[Wooper]

i still think homura's read on tse is wrong but i am v interested in her sorting cjv

[AaronFrost]

Crush¹ has been prodded and has (expired on 2020-03-16 22:05:00) to post before Plot and I look for replacements.

Non lmh did not respond to their prod and is being replaced

[Wooper]

claimed to like my entrance when the largest portion of it was townreading her for her early aggression.

Non's iso bothers me. All I really gather from it is (A) they want to lynch Cheeky without reason, (B) they are fine with just hammering, also without reason, and (C) they are obsessed with providing bipolar reads of Titus that will inevitably change directions faster than a ping pong ball.

Using this to follow up.

First, I didn't like you because you liked me or because of the early aggression. I am bothered by you scumreading both TSE and me. My reexamination over the night phase has TSE at greater than 75% town. Putting us in a dichotomy is bad. Second, you do knowing one of your other scumreads, nom, will capitalize.

I am leaning against Cheeky now Whooper being scum. I am not 100% certain. The amount of backtracking wooper did bought him some time with me, but maybe I am a sucker for those who agree with me.

Suppose TSE and I are both town, what happens to your reads?

VOTE: Non

i agree that TSE is town but don't feel that those continuing to sort him are doing so in bad faith at all tbh - do you think the cases against him are being made in bad faith? & could you point me to what made you feel that way?

i kind of get what you're angling wrt the suggestion ll could be forcing the {titus,tse} dichotomy and likely-scum-non in order to manipulate non into voting in {titus,tse} but it's very much a read i can kind of digest if i tilt myself on an angle and swallow real hard, not something that makes me go "YEAH!!" if you know what i mean. so any tangible tells/trajectory you can show me from ll which made you end up with this read would help me a lot with sorting you

and finally like... are you scumreading me because you townread me because I townread you and you dislike that my read on you changed after I finished reading d1? from my seat it feels like you're driving an agenda on my slot. like you're intentionally hedging on reading me and only committing to a scumread on me when you feel you're in danger of me pushing you. i can pretty cleanly see this coming from a mindset where you know that we don't look s/s, so you're hoping to swing pressure onto me in the event either
- i am mislynched, you flip red
- we already don't look like partners

i'm not like dead convinced that you're scum (if we had 24 hrs left on deadline i'd prefer a non lynch ftr) but if you're town i need you to level w me a bit more please because your reads feel convenient & i don't get the feeling you're engaging with things that are actually happening itt

[AaronFrost]

Official Vote Count 2.03

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Lynching

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

Titus

(2): Wooper, LuckyLuciano

Non lmh

(1): Titus

Not Voting

(4): Crush, Non lmh, ceejayvinoya, Homura

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-20 12:15:00).

Mod notes:

Seeking replacement for Non lmh[/area]

[Wooper]

just realised this was very brief/may be confusing

- we already don't look like partners

if titus does flip red people will be looking for associative tells. if scum are concerned about being lynched imminently, a valuable tactic is to aggravate/attempt to steer a lynch onto slots who are very unlikely to be scum with you

that way if it succeeds, yeeeet dead townies
if it fails and that person *is* lynched then all people will be able to tell from the last ditch push is that they aren't s/s with the person they tried to get over the line - but that's somehting they coudl alreayd tell

[LuckyLuciano]

Official Vote Count 2.03

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Lynching

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

Titus

(1): Wooper

Not Voting

(6): ceejayvinoya, Crush, Homura, LuckyLuciano, Non lmh, Titus

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-20 12:15:00).

Mod notes:

Seeking replacement for Non lmh[/area]

I voted Titus.

[Wooper]

he also missed titus voting non, i think mayeb hes' going to edit ti in

[AaronFrost]

VC has been fixed

[ceejayvinoya]

take care of yourself LL, scary stuff being in high exposure areas atm. real life & not having covid-19 > mafia games

I agree. I kinda want to sort LL and Nom for VCA reasons.

I strongly feel TSE was being a town asshole yesterday.

I still feel Homura is town.

This is a bit vague

How does vca reasons apply to LL?

[ceejayvinoya]

ceejay, can I have a readslist from you?

After reading day 1 earlier I got LL and Homura as town and everything else on null.

I liked Titus' earlier day 1 posts but nothing much else from that slot

Couldn't read qq/crash properly and want more from there

I dunno how to read cheeky but I like Wooper's day 2 posts so far

Then there's non who has yet to explain that hammer yesterday