Newbie 1988 | Octopus | Over

[Homura]

The thousandth post is mine.

[LuckyLuciano]

As much as I sit interested in what everyone has to say, I still can't get over the idea that it's Menal + Titus.

[LuckyLuciano]

Wooper going from hard-scum to hard-town on Titus is odd to me, however.

[Homura]

In 513?

[LuckyLuciano]

Yeah. Although, 514 is more interesting depending on sequence of events, I'm going to go check something in Wooper's ISO.

[LuckyLuciano]

Nevermind, that was way earlier in the game than I remembered.

[LuckyLuciano]

I'm contemplating a mass claim. 4 players are currently in on a certain soft-claim. There are 7 players alive. The odds of both mafia being in the group of 3 players who are not in-the-know is unlikely. If even one mafia knows what's going on with the soft claim, then it's net-positive to put all of the cards on the table for the town.

[Homura]

Are you referring to Non's post about Karnage?

[LuckyLuciano]

Nope. Non's post caught Karnage's breadcrumb of "no claim". I don't know where Mena got mason from. The most interesting point about Non's post if, based on my limited exposure to him, I doubt he would have caught that. I think it's more likely Titus fed it to him.

[Homura]

I'm still not understanding why you're stuck on this point, Titus. Karnage was the compromise lynch because he was the secondmost scumread. You actually led the wagon on Karnage, but now you're hung up on why everyone else agreed with you. If you wanted Cheeky or Luciano as the compromise deadline lynch over Karnage, why didn't you vote one of them intead?

Because this is making me feel you knew Karnage would flip green and wanted to cast shade on both of your scumreads for not being wagoned.

Am I misunderstanding your intentions here?

I totally disagree that cheeky THIS GAME is being vexing as opposed to appeasing

I think cheeky THIS GAME was intentionally trying to play nice and get people on side. which you yourself would admit is scum behaviour from her, only you're trying to argue that I'm scum reading her for being scummy when it's almost the opposite?

I think cheeky would be hard to push for being scummy which is exactly why I think she is scummy

if I'm not as interested in reading you, it's because I think your slot, which you share the alignment of, has already been insanely scummy. why would I spend a lot of time trying to sort you directly especially when if given half the chance you would pocket me. added to the fact that I don't think you're engaging me in particularly good faith. I'm trying to parse things because I'm still hoping we Lynch you today bc on the off chance it's wrong then lynching you tomorrow would just lose the game, but I would wanna see why your head was at where it was it today if you flipped town

You didn't mean to quote me, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on this regardless.

[Homura]

Nope. Non's post caught Karnage's breadcrumb of "no claim". I don't know where Mena got mason from. The most interesting point about Non's post if, based on my limited exposure to him, I doubt he would have caught that. I think it's more likely Titus fed it to him.

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that Non caught it himself, since he appears to be a regular, but that's NAI.

[Homura]

H

ow is this misunderstanding happening with a player who has a join date older than mine unless it is a perspective slip?

I'm not sure on this and I kinda want backup.

I think this frustration reads as town. also, actually, the seeking of clarification from others on if her perception of it is accurate. I think it's very strange for you in particular to not see this as town!indicative

Are we reading the same post?

@Cheeky, I have a theory I'm looking to test. If something changes my mind on that, I'll let you know.

Second, it is early so I am open to being wrong. That doesn't mean I'm open to baseless attacks for being protown.

You know based on my meta that I am stronger in later days too. You're perfectly free to ignore any theory you find baseless and scumhunt, if you're capable.

being very reasonable and trying to make sure the gamestate stays manageable / positive

The theory never came to fruition. What do you make of the tone change Titus exhibited later in the day?

@LL, I like your entry.

Can you elaborate on why Cheeky is town? I don't see it.

again, I think this is Titus checking for bias in her own reads and I think you should see it in particular as town!indicative

I read it differently. "I don't see it" particularly indicates that she's staunch on her reads and has the underlying implication that it would take an exceptional effort to change her mind. Luciano expended that effort, but Titus dismissed his case entirely, calling Cheeky's aggressiveness NAI, but never explains why she took it as scum-indicative.

Menalque, can you case Titus's EoD play?

[LuckyLuciano]

I still find 635 to be the fakest distancing attempt I have seen in my life. Titus voted Non less than an hour before his prod expired and would be replaced. This is the easiest SvS vote anyone could ever be faced with. Start the wagon against a scum buddy who is literally both being FOS'd

and

being replaced as you place the vote, then unvote them for no reason once they are replaced, a la 742.

776 through 784 still needs to be explained. Later on instead of elaborating she says that she still can't explain it because, low and behold, instead of needing Wooper locked down she needs Menalque locked down. 843.

788 is literally Titus telling CJN to get in her pocket.

Don't get me wrong, even though I am pretty sold on the scumteam being Titus + Menal, I want to lynch Menal first because I think the Menal flip provides more info. If Menal is scum, Titus is always scum.

[Homura]

I think we really should flip you today but if we don't and you consider me town who is scum?

i think crush is scum and has highest partner equity with u

Hot take. Why?

[Menalque]

like i can exactly see that being talked about in the scum pt
that is why he would remember a random ass post like that
but the fact he came here pointing it out but pretending not to have any thoughts about it?

ugh i just realised i'm fighting you about your own slot's alignment
i think it's slimy that he pointed it out but pretended not to have any thoughts about it
i think his actual *thoughts* r what u save for the scum pt, not noticing it in the first place

I mean why does he comment like that

like why bring up very specifically what the change is but not the fact that it spells out mason

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Let's bring up very specifically what the change is, and the fact that it spells out "n o c m", or no claim. Where drugs did you take before reading that to see mason?

err, no

the replaced letters (there are 5) are "m a s o n"

[Menalque]

it's not about the letters Karnage put there instead, it's the ones which are gone

[Menalque]

all of which is immaterial beyond why tf would non bring this up as scum in main thread without even having made the connection that it spells mason?

[LuckyLuciano]

Where's the O being replaced?

[Menalque]

Why would my confidence be shaken? I don't care if I end up being wrong. I find things to focus in on, I take them to their extreme, and I see what happens. That's my style. I don't plan on solving the game on my own. This is a team game, the input of other players is valuable. I don't find treading around carefully and withholding my thoughts because I might be wrong to be conducive to winning. I'd rather make cases and possibly push people a bit past their comfort zone and let other people be the judge of the interaction than try and be the judge jury and executioner all on my own.

right, but you should be re-evaluating in the cases where you are wrong

you're saying here that you don't want to be judge jury and executioner, but you forced the town into a lynching position on phoenix before he claimed PR

how is that you being open to others and playing as a team?

[Menalque]

homura, what do you think is town from LL?

[LuckyLuciano]

Nope. Non's post caught Karnage's breadcrumb of "no claim". I don't know where Mena got mason from. The most interesting point about Non's post if, based on my limited exposure to him, I doubt he would have caught that. I think it's more likely Titus fed it to him.

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that Non caught it himself, since he appears to be a regular, but that's NAI.

It is AI. If he cannot catch it himself, then he must be scum. We're not at LYLO so we don't need absolutes. Based on his play, do you think it's more likely that he could catch it himself, or less? If you had to put a percentage on it, what would it be? If he can catch it 1-in-5 games, then 80% of the time he's 100% scum, and 20% of the time he's X% scum. If your faith in him is that low, we hedge on him being scum. I agree that we personally don't know the extent of his capability though, which is why I asked other players to chime in, which they haven't.

[Homura]

I still find 635 to be the fakest distancing attempt I have seen in my life. Titus voted Non less than an hour before his prod expired and would be replaced. This is the easiest SvS vote anyone could ever be faced with. Start the wagon against a scum buddy who is literally both being FOS'd

and

being replaced as you place the vote, then unvote them for no reason once they are replaced, a la 742.

The Non vote did ping me as odd, especially since the rest of her post was completely unrelated to Non. Every part of her post should've pointed to a vote on Wooper.

P-edit: The gang's half here.

[Menalque]

Can the people who have provided reads/theories for scumteams and haven't explained the reasoning behind them do so :/

I'm leaning town on Titus and TSE atm

I think that's all. Also, I don't like how Karnage called out TSE in 98 for not providing reasoning behind his theory, but later he posts his townleans without us knowing why he feels this way about the particular people he's leaning town on.

I really like these two posts from Titus. They show a strong town mindset imo. Granted they could be faked which is why I only lean town for now.

Spoiler:

The discussion around

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e and my vote change is awkward and stilted. A few slots say the same thing and get nowhere but NAI, essentially repe

o

ting what came before.

What's ab

c

ent is more telling. Everyone wants to know why my gut was strong enough, yet no one looked at Phi's behavior. It's n

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t enough to make a strong case out of, but it's still interesting. Phil comes across artificial and fake in the ope

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ing sequence.

Mod: I voted Phi not Phoenix.

Fixed, thank you --P

No. It's farfetched to lock him as scum based off of that. To feel the ignorance of the wagon and discussion of food is an artificial distraction is not. Scum love to distract. It's a good place to start none the less. Plus, the sooner we escape RVS the better.

Re: 98 - that was "calling out" Titus, not TSE. I dont think saying I called them out is a fair description though. It was meant to be kinda snarky to just point out that without reasoning I don't think the vote should be taken too seriously. Also, I think there's a difference between voting somebody without saying why and having a town lean on somebody without saying why.

[Menalque]

bolded for your convenience

[Homura]

Where's the O being replaced?

"opeming"