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[Menalque]

Subject: Newbie 1980 | Game Over

It also doesn’t feel like it’s cheeky’s respect for my scumgame if this is a shitpush given that we’ve never played together before

in this situation I tenddddd to try and work out whether I'm biased (usually yes) and if so lean into checking my opinion against other people; having a convo like "hey eth0s cheeky seemed {towny, nullish, w/e} to me but her push right now looks like it's in pretty bad faith - am I going crazy or is this really loudlandish and scummy?" can advance the way her slot is analysed a lot.

I don't have a strong understanding for your scumgame either btw, nor do I have a super vivid grasp on your towngame - I've created a baseline for "menalque's scumrange" largely based on how self-aware and socially adept you are. I might have worded that better as "respect for your social intelligence/range", rather than explicitly "respect for your scumgame".

like stuff like this for instance

wooper is SRing me but instead of actually checking his possible biases he's mostly just gone "nah mena you don't feel like town here" and then been relying on LL there. if LL is actually town then this is quite plausibly scum!wooper hiding behind that to push me.

I also would like to know exactly how much more confident he is in identifying my scum game vs 2 months ago where he talks about being very uncertain on it vs here where he's been very positive about it

[Menalque]

if I may say, it's also slightly mad for anyone to be scum reading me based purely on how much effort I've put into this game. like I struggle to effort my scum games even when I'm in them from the beginning, and while I've improved I don't think I've necessarily improved to "making 200 posts in 4 days" level of fake effort

[Crush]

I'm actually kind of thinking crush + wooper rn

Really me + wooper? Friendly reminder that de D1 Cheeky lynch only didn't happen because TSE moved last minute, you think I, as an inexperienced mafia player, would de ok lynching my mafia partner D1? Literally anyone + me and I would've been ok with you suggesting me as mafia, but you pick the most unlikely combination just because you want to lynch Wooper and somehow want to fit me in there.

[Menalque]

I'm actually kind of thinking crush + wooper rn

Really me + wooper? Friendly reminder that de D1 Cheeky lynch only didn't happen because TSE moved last minute, you think I, as an inexperienced mafia player, would de ok lynching my mafia partner D1? Literally anyone + me and I would've been ok with you suggesting me as mafia, but you pick the most unlikely combination just because you want to lynch Wooper and somehow want to fit me in there.

how do you figure that? looking back in plot's ISO the wagon went directly from phoenix top wagon -> Karnage top wagon

why does that show you "being okay with lynching your partner"?

also, can you please explain your LL townread?

[Menalque]

also Titus, for christsake, please stop misspelling my name

[Menalque]

it's like every game

[Crush]

I'm actually kind of thinking crush + wooper rn

Really me + wooper? Friendly reminder that de D1 Cheeky lynch only didn't happen because TSE moved last minute, you think I, as an inexperienced mafia player, would de ok lynching my mafia partner D1? Literally anyone + me and I would've been ok with you suggesting me as mafia, but you pick the most unlikely combination just because you want to lynch Wooper and somehow want to fit me in there.

how do you figure that? looking back in plot's ISO the wagon went directly from phoenix top wagon -> Karnage top wagon

why does that show you "being okay with lynching your partner"?

also, can you please explain your LL townread?

There was another L1 on Cheeky before the Phoenix vote that was also close to deadline. I will explain to you why I think LL is town but it will take a bit more time since I stopped taking notes somewhere close to deadline D1 because everyone kept replacing out and I started calling people out for things other slots did.

[Menalque]

can you just explain to me now in plain English what you think has been towny about LL

doesn't have to be super in depth, I wanna see where your head is at

[Menalque]

I'll try to go back and look for the L-1 on cheeky moment, bc it was short enough that it was missed in VCs

[Crush]

can you just explain to me now in plain English what you think has been towny about LL

doesn't have to be super in depth, I wanna see where your head is at

I tried to do that before but I'm not great at expressing myself in English. I just think the points he's making are valid, albeit sometimes a bit nitpicky, but other than that I get the feeling he's actually trying to solve the game. Example of the first part is that in #631 he's actually proposing what I was thinking coming out of D1, while you are proposing solutions I can not work with. Being honest, even when I understand that saying this looks bad for me, I have no one locked town rn until someone flips red. And I just think that the chances of you being red are higher. But I really gtg now will come back to you later.

[ceejayvinoya]

you did the same thing when I repped in btw

menalque i'm gonna need you to level w me pretty quick if you're scum dude

like before I even got here really you were trying to encourage a scum perception of my slot and set me up to look bad

it's the same thing LL has been doing but slightly differently

I didn't quite notice this earlier smh

I know Wooper has reason to believe non may be scum at that time but yeah

[ceejayvinoya]

Okay, I quite like homura on pg12 even if I don’t really like her content

Pretty much how I decided to townread homura day 1

As well as her post 390+

Hmmm

so what's the implication of this for your read on me then?

Before I replaced Tse I read like half the game and early d1 I have a town lean on Titus and an awkward!cheeky read that I do not know what to do with.

Then I also have that homura townread.

+town to you but I still have some catching up to do.

[ceejayvinoya]

I’m caught up now btw @all

Why is Titus townie again? She's practically directionless and uncomfortable this day phase

I mean I think Titus is town but less for today and more for her D1 play, although I've said that she's probably one of my less confident reads here, esp. due to not really being aware of how she plays scum when she's committed to it

Sort of agree. I do like d1 Titus.

[ceejayvinoya]

allllll of your postssssss are liessssss

I don't like they're [p]112[/p] though
he intentionally changed letters around in the spoiler
n o c m maybe that's code for no comment, maybe he gave up early on

I just noticed this and it should be incredibly town!indicative for my slot

the post he's talking about
is more likely to be a TPR crumb than anything else
the fact he noticed it at all is wolfy
the fact he brought it up without committing to what he actually thought it meant was even wolfier

Why would noticing this at all would be wolfy?

His post says he did not know what it meant at that time.

[ceejayvinoya]

Now that I think about it, non voted Karnage after noticing that Karnage edited Titus' post and also claimed vanilla.

That's actually nice.

[ceejayvinoya]

like i can exactly see that being talked about in the scum pt
that is why he would remember a random ass post like that
but the fact he came here pointing it out but pretending not to have any thoughts about it?

ugh i just realised i'm fighting you about your own slot's alignment
i think it's slimy that he pointed it out but pretended not to have any thoughts about it
i think his actual *thoughts* r what u save for the scum pt, not noticing it in the first place

I mean why does he comment like that

like why bring up very specifically what the change is but not the fact that it spells out mason

look dude i'm not going to pretend i can read non lmh's mind but i know a guilty conscience when i see one -the fact he clearly HAD thoughts but withheld them makes me think he did it to look town.

Lol.

Ducky this is very contradictory with one of your earlier posts where you said that non lolhammers and does weird stuff as either alignment.

non why did you hammer your townread before deadline while i was still catching up?

Does town!Non lolhammer like that?

This is part of my dilemma tbh. I could see non lolhammering as either alignment and he has a meta of kinda just whimsically lolhammering or doing sweet fa

I think his pred was scummy. The lolhammer comes from non as either alignment but given he had an actual read trajectory i'm pretty sure town!non can give us a convincing update of what his actual thoughts are.

Sorry if you were looking for a more decisive answer, ive played exactly one game with non and frankly getting his alignment right required mighty strong forceps

[ceejayvinoya]

oh the other thing I didn't like about LL is that I do think phoe was obvtown and so pushing him was scummy

i also thought ph0e was towny but like the push against him felt largely good-faithy tbh

???????

So if I townread somebody

But he's also being wagoned for "good reasons" at the time

It's okay?

[ceejayvinoya]

I still find 635 to be the fakest distancing attempt I have seen in my life. Titus voted Non less than an hour before his prod expired and would be replaced. This is the easiest SvS vote anyone could ever be faced with. Start the wagon against a scum buddy who is literally both being FOS'd

and

being replaced as you place the vote, then unvote them for no reason once they are replaced, a la 742.

The Non vote did ping me as odd, especially since the rest of her post was completely unrelated to Non. Every part of her post should've pointed to a vote on Wooper.

P-edit: The gang's half here.

I pointed it out earlier, and this was her answer.

There’s Def scum within (Karnage, Titus and Phe0nix)

Guess titus is prob town then

Come again?

You're town. I'm town. Trust the power of the force.

Sure sure

Why did you vote non rather than your scumread (Wooper) earlier

Because I had liked LL's case there. I'm not 100% sure it's not some oddball thing like Wooper/Non but it would be an odd as fuck stance for Melanque to take.

Aside from you town and Wooper 75%scum, I'm a bit confused.

[ceejayvinoya]

@homura @cjv @wooper , how likely do you think titus + LL is?

Not likely at all

[ceejayvinoya]

The safer play is for any surviving tprs to claim here but I don't think that's the better play - wld prefer to enter f5 first regardless of how today finishes

Tbh I don't think? if the surviving tpr exists, they should claim yet

pedit: I wasn't softing tpr Titus.

Yes you were I saw it

I'll look for it again later

[ceejayvinoya]

hmmm
@cjv
if you can somehow prove to homura that you're town this game gets a lot easier
if mena flips green this is doubly true

Oooh look at me homura I'm so obviously town

[ceejayvinoya]

The safer play is for any surviving tprs to claim here but I don't think that's the better play - wld prefer to enter f5 first regardless of how today finishes

Tbh I don't think? if the surviving tpr exists, they should claim yet

pedit: I wasn't softing tpr Titus.

wooper, you were definitely softing TPR

I am not getting lynched this phase.
End of discussion.

this was very obviously a soft

Never mind. Mena got it

[Titus]

Happy cake day.

Ceejay, can you vote Wooper?

[LuckyLuciano]

Hey CJV. Does it make more sense for you to locktown read Titus, or for Titus to locktown read you?

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: wooper

Want this more than the other.