Newbie 1988 | Octopus | Over

[Wooper]

hence if he could have landed a visit on unkilled {you,homura} then d3 has conftown cjv regardless of titus' alignment and becomes a lot more solvable

i didn't think it was that clear until now :/

[Wooper]

even if we're incorrect i don't think anyone should cc this phase

[Wooper]

for ~ raisins ~

[Titus]

Well CPV didn't outright claim friendly neighbor and that's the way it should be. We aren't discussing this further.

[Wooper]

Well CPV didn't outright claim friendly neighbor and that's the way it should be. We aren't discussing this further.

[LuckyLuciano]

Why wouldn't we CC this phase? We have 1 mislynch left. In case of a CC, we can literally lynch incorrectly and then get the mafia next DP, whereas if we lynch town this DP holding back a CC, and it comes out next DP, we lose the guaranteed kill on mafia.

[Wooper]

the correct lynch is in {me,mena}
i think mena's scumfuckery is extremely obvious so
the correct lynch for townies today is mena
there is 1-2 town in {titus,cjv} and they get a loootttt easier to sort after we have a scumflip, so

people just need to choose who in me/mena they think is wolfier

[Wooper]

Why wouldn't we CC this phase? We have 1 mislynch left. In case of a CC, we can literally lynch incorrectly and then get the mafia next DP, whereas if we lynch town this DP holding back a CC, and it comes out next DP, we lose the guaranteed kill on mafia.

it's more to do with the tpr's utility as a confirmed townie, less to do with them having an action

i'll explain more post-game

[LuckyLuciano]

The thing is if CJV is mafia then it goes back to TSE unvoting Cheeky at L1, which goes contra to the current state of affairs. Eh, yeah, CJV is never mafia if Cheeky/Wooper is town.

[Titus]

Why wouldn't we CC this phase? We have 1 mislynch left. In case of a CC, we can literally lynch incorrectly and then get the mafia next DP, whereas if we lynch town this DP holding back a CC, and it comes out next DP, we lose the guaranteed kill on mafia.

Because a CC requires a claim first. No one is claiming.

Mathematically there are a few possibilities.

[Titus]

LL, why did you unvote Mena?

[Wooper]

tse/cjv also towny by play ya

[LuckyLuciano]

Not gonna lie, my desire to play this game is at an all-time low. I'm having a hard time focusing and generating reads because of something that happened outside this game. If it wasn't 1.2k posts in I'd probably have requested to replace out when it happened.

[Wooper]

sticking around is really admirable. make sure you take care of yourself.
regardless of how this phase ends i think the game gets a lot more lucid in f5.

[LuckyLuciano]

I'm fine IRL. It's not even an IRL concern. I can't really elaborate until endgame. I just feel it's impossible for me to genuinely read this game anymore.

[Titus]

Is this why you unvoted Mena?

[LuckyLuciano]

I'll probably just end up not trying to develop scumreads for the rest of the game and instead sheep whomever I find to be most-town. This DP it would be CJV. If he dies in the night, my entire play next DP would be to reread the game and decide who looks most town and sheep their vote, etc. It's not how I want to play the game, especially after putting this much time into it, but I don't think I can meaningfully scumhunt in this game anymore.

[Titus]

I'll probably just end up not trying to develop scumreads for the rest of the game and instead sheep whomever I find to be most-town. This DP it would be CJV. If he dies in the night, my entire play next DP would be to reread the game and decide who looks most town and sheep their vote, etc. It's not how I want to play the game, especially after putting this much time into it, but I don't think I can meaningfully scumhunt in this game anymore.

Can you talk to me about Homura?

[LuckyLuciano]

What do you want to know about him? I can talk to you about every player in the game.

[Titus]

What do you want to know about him? I can talk to you about every player in the game.

What's your read on him? Tbh, I don't feel to comfortable with him.

[LuckyLuciano]

He's largely flown under the radar for me. This entire day I've been focused on Mena. His slot not only makes sense to me as mafia from scummy play, but his flip, even if somehow town, I think gives us the most info going into LYLO. There are three players who have had that slots, (well 2.5) who have all had interactions we can look at. They are all more telling if we know his alignment. My plan was to re-evaluate the gamestate after his flip, even if I was right and he's scum. I can look back over Homura's iso if you want. Is there something in particular I should be looking at?

[Titus]

I want an opinion. Is Homura town or scum?

[Wooper]

we could flashwagon homura tbh but i still want menalque d3. homura makes sense as town, and makes sense as an absent mena partner.

[LuckyLuciano]

Honestly, I'm not sure if I really can make reads without external bias anymore. I'm going to take a bit of a break and see if I can clear my head and come back to the game in a few hours. If not I'll probably ask Ploti to replace me out.

[Wooper]

look after yourself first - that's the most important thing.