On the Flying Scumsman (Abandoned)

[Blake X Yang]

What if Blake is scum

I've done a wonderful job of digging myself into a hole very early on, then.

-Blake

[Disaster Artists]

I'm glad that I've been INVISIBLE to you though

:3

-JC

[egospray]

I know you're enter from that Hydra

[Blake X Yang]

I know you're enter from that Hydra

LOL

-yang

[Disaster Artists]

Still been second-guessing myself since Gobble's last wall but I still think I want to see vote logic

VOTE: Equitable Androids

Who wants to join? Who would argue there's a better day 1 off existing posting?

-JC

[Spiffybringer]

I will do that

VOTE: Equitable Androids

[Spiffybringer]

I will do that

VOTE: Equitable Androids

~Spiffy

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Uh... iirc you were the d1 lynch in the waifu game? The hydra with kirari or something? Why do you say i have been lynched? I have been one of the strongest townreads over the whole course of the game

I basically stopped reading after I died so my recollections are very likely wrong

In any case that's what I thought happened in the game I barely skimmed; oh wait didn't we have another game together recently? Like cult d3 or something?

I think I wanted to lynch you most of that game too so I just kinda assume I'm going to want to lynch you off playstyle and so try to buffer around that a little (and favor my read of bitmap since your baseline always feels scummy to me)

-JC

I think waifu upick was the only game we played together. You never voted me, i have been correct 2/3 (you and shadowless, i was wrong about bitmap but we ended up killing him nonetheless), and i don't know how you could have a baseline impression of my play when we only have met as scum!you vs town!me?

Aside from that, i'm more interested as of why blake is SO obvtown to you. Can you elaborate a little more on that? Like, do me this favor. Imagine that her only scumread is wrong, and tell me if she is still obvtown and why. It does not matter if you believe she's right, just assume she's wrong. I'm asking this to have you make an attempt to remove agreement bias from your read of me and blake.

-Farkran

pedit: uhm.

[Blake X Yang]

Well, then, Yang, is there anything you want to ask me in particular?

Also, Blake can you explain your meta reads further/is there a post where you did?

-gb

Let's start somewhere.

1)

Outline your reasons for voting and wanting to lynch

Smol Might

?

2)

How do you feel about the corresponding top wagons currently

Mitoko/Kuroko

and

Disaster Artists

?

3)

Would you change wagons if anyone acquired more votes? If so, who would you change to?

-yang

[The Searchers]

Still been second-guessing myself since Gobble's last wall but I still think I want to see vote logic

VOTE: Equitable Androids

Who wants to join? Who would argue there's a better day 1 off existing posting?

-JC

Proving my point of DA being willing to lynch anyone to save themselves

SC

[Blake X Yang]

I guess

Equitable Androids

now, too.

-yang

[The Searchers]

1. I haven't but on Smol the whole game
2. Start believing it, I'm rereading to see if I can get more of a foothold

If it helps, Titus/Gobble is a slot that I feel did the bare minimum to appease me and has done nothing since, so I will be paying extra attention to them this reread

~Spiffy

when were you not on Smol??

SC

[Disaster Artists]

Proving my point of DA being willing to lynch anyone to save themselves

SC

It's like mind-blowing that Ircher is actually more town than Cakez at this point

-JC

[Spiffybringer]

SC literally just ISO me I've been on Despair Night for awhile

Not that it really even matters if I WERE on Smol Night this whole time, btw

~Spiffy

[Spiffybringer]

Proving my point of DA being willing to lynch anyone to save themselves

SC

Did you miss their post last page detailing why they're scum reading Equitable Andoirds?

If they are trying to save themselves wouldn't they join the Smol Might wagon? They are literally the first vote on Equitable Androids iirc

So the was a pretty ridiculous thing to say

~Spiffy

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Still been second-guessing myself since Gobble's last wall but I still think I want to see vote logic

VOTE: Equitable Androids

Who wants to join? Who would argue there's a better day 1 off existing posting?

-JC

Proving my point of DA being willing to lynch anyone to save themselves

SC

...technically they had more than one opportunity to move their vote on a more populated wagon on Despair Night, Egospray and Smol Might. They just started a wagon on equitable, why are they scum assuming that's the only reason you would scumread them for?

-Farkran

[The Searchers]

I think Cakez may be confirmation biasing himself at this point. I didn't see anything particularly wrong with the vote other than maybe it was kinda abrupt that attention shifted to Androids.
~Ircher

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I have recently played a game with scum!gobble, failed hard at reading him so i'm not placing any confidence in that. My experience with titus is limited but i think it's town!titus.

Meta aside, i don't think equitable is scum based on this game's play. I'm going to sleep over this and get back tomorrow with a fresh mind

-Farkran

[Disaster Artists]

Aside from that, i'm more interested as of why blake is SO obvtown to you. Can you elaborate a little more on that? Like, do me this favor. Imagine that her only scumread is wrong, and tell me if she is still obvtown and why. It does not matter if you believe she's right, just assume she's wrong. I'm asking this to have you make an attempt to remove agreement bias from your read of me and blake.

I would be relatively surprised if she defended me this hard as scum. It's not impossible but it's unlikely.

Also, the last time I hard defended Alyssa Insomnia decided to make a 'deal' with Boon to lynch her that nearly cost town the game so this exercise isn't super exciting for me

If you want to be serious though

who all died in that event? O_o

-yang

Yang very much is not part of an active discord scum PT

Then give me a very concise summary of it all, because I cannot keep up at this pace and provide qUaLiTy PlAy.

Struggling to engage the thread pretty much matches my town Taly feel

Both heads feel very distinct to me from their last game where they were scum with me -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Taly unvote:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11628251

Ank reads list: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11632946

idk but you can see her engagement is much lower if you ctrl+f "-raven" in the iso

Here we go -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Same 'alt', scum game

what a concerning post for me would be: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11137462

contrast of a hardpush: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11144368

like the thing here to notice is that there she's pairing the mislynch on town with her scumbuddy, whereas in this game she's basically just diving you

but I mean like, you might look at that iso and be like, "ehh I don't really see the difference"

but uhh the main difference then really would be--does blake, as scum, give a shit about her townreads?

I mean she has them as town but does she care if they get pushed? Does she defend townreads at length for towncred? Or does she focus on her own push?

If you answer that then you probably get a sense of why I think Blake is obvious town. It's way more likely that she's just town, has found town in me, and is trying to get this game on track (from her point of view) than it is that she is defending me to this extent as scum looking for towncred

-JC

[The Searchers]

So Spiffy has moved his vote around today which I missed.
My bad.
My point about Smol being his primary SR and target all day over others still stands.

SC

[Spiffybringer]

I think Titus' approach to me has been pretty scummy

I understand that she would be looking to work with me after Titus v. Alisae

But I feel like she came into this game with a "let me work with Spiffeh" mindset instead of a "let me get a read on Spiffeh so I can work with him" mindset, which is an important distinction. It feels more like she's trying to get on my good side rather than genuinely get a read on me.

I didn't hate her initial engagement with me even though it was a little too ~moonlogic~y for my liking, but I think her immediate vote for Smol Might following me is a huge red flag. She has not done the due diligence that I would expect from town!Titus before buddying me to this extent and has written me off as town too easily.

There's also the minor point that gobble has done a complete 180 on posting style which makes it hard to even get a read on that head. So yeah they probably just rolled scum this game.

~Spiffy

[Spiffybringer]

My point about Smol being his primary SR and target all day over others still stands.

Ok it's a bad point though

~Spiffy

[egospray]

I know you're enter from that Hydra

LOL

-yang

yeah, enter from the other hydra in myustery box

[egospray]

aka misa

[Equitable Androids]

Still been second-guessing myself since Gobble's last wall but I still think I want to see vote logic

VOTE: Equitable Androids

Who wants to join? Who would argue there's a better day 1 off existing posting?

-JC

What do you mean by vote logic here?

- Beep

I think Titus' approach to me has been pretty scummy

I understand that she would be looking to work with me after Titus v. Alisae

But I feel like she came into this game with a "let me work with Spiffeh" mindset instead of a "let me get a read on Spiffeh so I can work with him" mindset, which is an important distinction. It feels more like she's trying to get on my good side rather than genuinely get a read on me.

I didn't hate her initial engagement with me even though it was a little too ~moonlogic~y for my liking, but I think her immediate vote for Smol Might following me is a huge red flag. She has not done the due diligence that I would expect from town!Titus before buddying me to this extent and has written me off as town too easily.

There's also the minor point that gobble has done a complete 180 on posting style which makes it hard to even get a read on that head. So yeah they probably just rolled scum this game.

~Spiffy

I will let Titus address the stuff to me, but I did want to address your last comment. I change up my posting style every so often to keep the games fresh and also to prevent meta’ing exactly what you’re trying to meta. I would hope that the same hallmarks of my scumhunting shine through regardless of presentation. I mean I think it does because I see no reason to really change my scumhunting tactics, but it’s possible the form clouds that.

Do you think I’m scumhunting differently?

- Boop