Mini Normal 2130: Mafia From Home [Game Over]

[72offsuit]

BM I have lower, as null - felt townie during the day but the early hammer was bad and

denied me posting my reads and getting reaction to my reads from others

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Null
BM
621 - Scummy post and vote. Early hammer

denied me posting my reads and getting reaction to my reads from others

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Ok I get the hint! But it was hardly an early hammer, and based on how you'd played on Day 1, I don't think you really believe I was scummy for hammering before you could post your reads.

I said in 358 that I was going to catch up and despite that, you still hammered with from memory, like 2 and a half days left?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lol, i'll be back when 72's read through the game.

[Looker]

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[72offsuit]

Ok well with that somewhat clarified, and in the spirit of the day, I'm claiming as well

Nothing has been clarified. But nice job trying to pick your moment for this bs claim.

I'm a '

PT Cop

', which means I can investigate people and find out if they are in private threads (which presumably is because we have neighbours and scum).

What a convenient role for you to claim, given that it suddenly has the same effect as a cop given the fact that a neighborhood was just revealed.

Last night I investigated Zantetsu and he came up positive. Given the claims and his reaction seems pretty unlikely he is a neighbour/mason, so he must be scum.

This is complete bs. I could not possibly have come up positive in an investigation by a PT Cop. I am not in any private threads.

VOTE: Battle Mage

Yes, agree, the timing on the claim seems convenient.

@ BM If you thought your report was effectively a guilty, why did you not come out of the gate posting as such?

[72offsuit]

Like yeah, it buys scum an extra day. But he get’s outed as scum and people can use that association to find the next scums. The only plausible explanation i can see is that he fake claims to protect someone else being wagoned, but wouldn’t that also become apparent if he was exposed?
I just don’t see what scum!Battle Mage would gain from faking a guilty on you at this stage of the game. And you’ve even made it clear that you’re claiming no PT’s on your person. So explain that result then?

This fee;s like the same argument as with Una.

[72offsuit]

And where does that leave 72offsuit?

He could still be town. If Luca flips mafia neighbor, then he is most definitely town. It doesn't make much sense for there to be 2 scums in 1 neighborhood.

k, i see you answered.

[72offsuit]

Oh wow.
I'm going to give you my full role now, and I do not feel bad about the way I acted.
I just think this is a bullshit role to have, compared to the way it works.
I've lost all interest in this game now, because my honest opinion is that my role doesn't work like it "should".
I've consulted the wiki almost ten times after I got my Role-PM, and thought my role works in quite a clear way.
I even made a clear implication to the mod before the game started, about how I assumed my role would work, and he didn't feel like correcting me.

My actual role, and full claim is

Simple Combined Neapolitan Doctor.

My actual result after mod doublechecking is "not Vanilla Townie".
Now, I checked multiple times from the wiki, and it explicitly says

Simple is a role modifier that modifies the way in which an active action is used; it causes the action to fail, as though it were roleblocked, when used against a player who is not vanilla. In other words, only Vanilla Townies and Goons of the various anti-town factions will be affected by a Simple action; other players are too complex to be vulnerable.

MEANING THAT I SHOULD ONLY GET THIS RESULT FROM A VANILLA-MAFIA, RIGHT?!?

Well, now mod has returned to me, and given me an answer.
Since I can't directly quote our PM's, I'm going to paraphrase it next:
My doctor action only works on vanilla town. Sure, makes sense.
But I'm then told that I will still get a "Not Vanilla Town" -result, on anyone that doesn't have a "Vanilla Town" role pm.
WHY?
Why doesn't the Simple-modifier affect on the FIRST ROLE MENTIONED, BUT AFFECTS THE SECOND?

wtf. You say you are a Simple Combined Neapolitan

doctor

, not a Simple Combined Neapolitan

cop

???????

[72offsuit]

Oh, and the mod also says I will only get "no result" if I'm being roleblocked or the target is ascetic.
But the part I quoted from the wiki in my latest post clearly says that simple would cause my actions to fail if I target someone who is not Vanilla. (alignments aside)

I dont understand why as a doctor you are getting results. Your claim makes no sense.

[72offsuit]

Bah, that was an inconsiderate post to make, I'm sorry.
I would've been fighting Covid in Naples with my luck anyway..

k, here is the ref to naples

[72offsuit]

So you're saying Luca might not be scum after all? As he has claimed a non-vanilla townie role!

All we know for a fact is that he is in a PT, and he is not a Vanilla

TOWNIE

.
He could still be a Mafia Goon (and I do think he is because my action went through on him anyway), but the way the mod answered my question to him, makes it seem like it's not a 100% guilty after all.
And that pisses me off like hell.

Why do you keep putting this Luca might be a mafia goon theory forward?
He claimed nighbour and I confirm he is in a neighbourhood with myself.
Your possible Luca = goon theory would mean that both of us are scum as has been previously mentioned several times.

[72offsuit]

You will see that as

Una is concentrating on profii

, he is signalling that he knows something about profii that the rest of us do not.

Una
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rofii

Una is cop

I'm lost. You knew that Una was a cop and crumbed it? How and why?

Last night I investigated Zantetsu and he came up positive. Given the claims and his reaction seems pretty unlikely he is a neighbour/mason, so he must be scum.

Vote: Zantetsu

Who's all fighting here? Is it just BM vs Zantetsu? Also, Norway vs UnaBombah? Who's on who's side so I can make a decision.

Agreed, and I think this kind of puts us in a holding pattern for the mod to confirm whether or not there was an error, doesn't it?

Does this mean that the game comes down to setup spec and mechanics? Was someone's cover blown?

Egix96 is worth a read in light of Zantetsu-scum.

Is Egix even still in this game?

I read a bunch of your old games...

I'm sorry you had to go through all that. I promise I'm trying to be better.

But then it doesn't seem possible that town!Una actually is simple neopolitan who got a

+

Whoops ignore the last sentence of my last post, it was some garbage that I accidentally left in when writing my post.

Seems like a potential PT-slip from scum.

What's the slip? I don't get it.

So you're saying Luca might not be scum after all? As he has claimed a non-vanilla townie role!

All we know for a fact is that he is in a PT, and he is not a Vanilla

TOWNIE

.

I don't think neighbors count as vanilla.

Like, I play in the normal queue to avoid this stupid bullshit.

Most of this has gone over my head.

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• I wish Norway would put some effort into this game.

Yes agreed. This game is way too convoluted for me.
I thought by signing up in the normal queue I was going to get a straightforward closed setup, that would involve fake claiming but have standard roles.
Think ill stick with the newbie queue.

[72offsuit]

Zantetsu should claim. In fact i’m starting to wonder if a mass claim wouød be best at this point. Then we can do setup analyzis and find out who is the most believable.

Encourages a mass-claim, which is just scummy as fuck when someone has just claimed a guilty result. Only scum could benefit from a mass-claim at this point.

Agreed.

[72offsuit]

Gives scum license to make up any claim under the sun that is convenient with what has already been claimed.

[72offsuit]

If Norwegian turns out to be Town then I’m gonna be pissed, but right now I’m convinced that isn’t a townie thought process and only comes from scum trying to maneuver into position for the win.

Lynch Zant -> Norwegian, and if he flips Town then he’s fucked the game anyway by this ridiculous push and I’ll happily take the next lynch.

Current bet for Norwegian’s partner would be my neighbor, 72. The way he’s lining up the Egix invest makes me wonder if there’s some manipulation (false clear?) there, though.

Elaborate, how are you linking myself with NBEE?

[72offsuit]

Lol, i'll be back when 72's read through the game.

I've read through now

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lol, i'll be back when 72's read through the game.

I've read through now

So Zantetsu is most likely scum. Yes?
Who do you believe his teammates are?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh and what's your take on Battle Mage's and Una's claims? Do you think they are town? Do you think Luca is scum/town?
What night actions should Battle Mage/Una take?
What's your take on Egix's Friendly neighbor claim? etc etc...

[72offsuit]

BM and Zantetsu are basically CCs so 1 scum lies in the 2.
I think BM is more likely to be scum

1. I townleaned Zantetsu and dont get any scum vibes from today. BM was null and I really hated the hammer on profii yesterday
2. I don;t like those pushing the Zantetsu lynch - Una is scummy as and NBEE has been scummy as with suggesting a Luca 1-2 lynch tomorrow.
3. As far as I see, a town aligned PT-cop is a weaker form of a cop, as far as I can understand it would give a:
- yes they are in a PT" result for any mafia
- yes they are in a PT" result for any masons/neighbours.
- no, not in a PT result = innocent

Therefore a scum-neighbour would give the same result as a non-neighbour-scum, so what would be the utility in the role?

This implies to me that Luca is town, or the mode has useless roles.

VOTE: BM

[72offsuit]

Lol, i'll be back when 72's read through the game.

I've read through now

So Zantetsu is most likely scum. Yes?
Who do you believe his teammates are?

No, I think Zantetsu is town and BM is scum.

Scummy play from you today and now you are asking me leading questions.

I haven't read into associations, I dont think they are very useful at all pre-scum-flip.

I'll look through, both BM and Zantetsu scum pairs tomorrow or the day after. (11:11pm here now)

[72offsuit]

Oh and what's your take on Battle Mage's and Una's claims? Do you think they are town? Do you think Luca is scum/town?
What night actions should Battle Mage/Una take?
What's your take on Egix's Friendly neighbor claim? etc etc...

I think BM is scum, see my previous post.
I think Una is probs scum who has fluffed a fake claim.
If Una's claim is genuine should doc on biggest townread. IF we lynch between Zantetsu and BM, then if we lynch scum today, should go doc on the other, or WIFOM, - flipping a coin.
If BM's claim is genuine, should PT biggest scumread, other than myself or Luca since we have claimed neighbours and corroborated each other.
I townlean Egix and I don;t think !scumEgix comes out with such a claim at this point in time.

[72offsuit]

I think Luca is probs town.

[Egix96]

Why though?
If no one claims you visited them, it's a 1v1 between you two then.

Hm, that wasn't quite the issue I had in mind... you'll see

New provisional target: Churros

[NorwegianboyEE]

No, I think Zantetsu is town and BM is scum.

I don't see how that is likely given these points.

Zantetsu. If BM is lying. He’ll be lynched tommorow. What is the reason for BM to fake claim a guilty on you if he dies tommorow assuming you flip town?

Like yeah, it buys scum an extra day. But he get’s outed as scum and people can use that association to find the next scums. The only plausible explanation i can see is that he fake claims to protect someone else being wagoned, but wouldn’t that also become apparent if he was exposed?
I just don’t see what scum!Battle Mage would gain from faking a guilty on you at this stage of the game. And you’ve even made it clear that you’re claiming no PT’s on your person. So explain that result then?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@72offsuit
It's pretty outlandish how you're saying Battle Mage is scum, and saying i'm doing scummy play today and "setting up mislynches" based on his claim.
Think about it. All of the supposed "mislynches" i'm setting up are based on Zantetsu flipping scum. If he is town as you believe and i am setting up mislynches based on him flipping scum then that destroys my plan the very moment Zantetsu supposedly flips town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Which brings me to my next point, in a Battle Mage/Norwee scum world. What kind of idiotic plan is this? Fake a guilty on town!Zantetsu, set up mislynches. And then look like the biggest idiot once Zantetsu is lynched and flips town instead?
You're logic is completely faulty and i have no idea how you can believe Zantetsu is town.