Mini Normal 2125: Chiptune Mafia [The End]

[eyestott]

I think it's almost impossible that Para and S_S are both town.

[Taly]

Agreed 2150

OK, power is back, but maybe not for long.

Eye and I solving in D3 like:

I had to. Now I should actually sleep.

Goodnight for real!

[Battle Mage]

I will also claim vanilla town

[Battle Mage]

my initial prediction is the scum are:

Taly - Eyestott - Something_Smart

But I need to read more stuff probably

[Battle Mage]

Doing some votecount analysis. One early observation - unless Paragon is scum, the town has failed to accumulate more than 2 votes on a scum player at the time of any count. #poor

[Paragon]

I think it's almost impossible that Para and S_S are both town.

Because of our claims, or other reasons?

[Battle Mage]

Is this list right for claims so far?

Paragon - Vanilla Town
Churros - ?
Battle Mage - Vanilla Town
Taly - 2-shot bulletproof
Aloratom - ?
Something_Smart - Vanilla Town
eyestott - Neapolitan

[Battle Mage]

my initial prediction is the scum are:

Taly - Eyestott - Something_Smart

But I need to read more stuff probably

This is no longer what I think.

However, it is what Blake Belladonna thought before he/she was murdered.

[Paragon]

Is this list right for claims so far?

Paragon - Vanilla Town
Churros - ?
Battle Mage - Vanilla Town
Taly - 2-shot bulletproof
Aloratom - ?
Something_Smart - Vanilla Town
eyestott - Neapolitan

Yep!

[Battle Mage]

Hypothetical question which I’m asking to promote discussion rather than for seeking advice:
If I were a vanilla townie, when would be the best/worst time to claim it?

Ha! You fools! ‘Twas not a hypothetical question, it was a crumb!
I’m a neopolitan.
Night one I targeted Luca, getting a VT result. So I was quite excited to hear this news.

Only to discover that not only was he dead, BUT ANOTHER VT TOO. 3/3 of the dead people were VTs by the time I said fuck at the start of D2. My first post was representative of me thinking “ugh, I’m probably the only investigative, and I’m likely gonna have no useful results.”

Night 2 I decided the same strategy of investigating a strong townread that I can get behind if I can clear them as a VT. I investigated Taly, and got a “not a VT” result.

I am interested in maybe having a VT claim so I can force the scum to either kill myself, the townie who isn’t doing well at scumhunting, or risk having two confirmed townies tomorrow.

Taly, I’m willing to townbloc with you for the rest of D3.

I'm baffled that Eyestott thinks this means Taly is somehow confirmed town. I mean surely he couldn't actually believe that right?

I believe (at least) one of Eyestott and Paragon must be scum, based on voting patterns. Instinctively I believe the Eyestott claim, but the behaviour towards Taly, given we are presumably at LYLO, makes me hesitate on that.

[Battle Mage]

Taly's play oozes scum, so in terms of gut feels and who has been generally the most obviously scummy, Taly would be the optimal lynch.

If Taly is scum, the most likely partner would be Churros, followed by Eyestott (although suspect Eyestott is unlikely to be a good lynch today, and if town, won't survive long enough to be lynched anyway, so we probably won't get to that).

[Paragon]

I'm a lot more confident on Taly being scum than eyestott. Just because of the manner of his claim and explaining his previous thoughts on prior day phases. Why do you think Churros is the obvious partner rather than Something_Smart?

[Battle Mage]

Arguably Churros is the safest lynch today, given he has connections to almost everybody.

For example, if Paragon is scum, I think it would be likely that Churros is his partner.

[Battle Mage]

I'm a lot more confident on Taly being scum than eyestott. Just because of the manner of his claim and explaining his previous thoughts on prior day phases. Why do you think Churros is the obvious partner rather than Something_Smart?

I agree Taly is a lot more likely, but if Taly was scum, Eyestott would be up there as a potential partner. I'm sure scum want to end the game today, and the way they came out of the blocks quickly with those claims looked like it could easily be pre-meditated. Eyestott's claim itself is believable, although he hasn't given any useful info to town, so it could be a conservative play by scum.

I think the interaction between Taly and Churros is more likely to be scumbuddies, but you're right Something_Smart would be a possibility.

I think we'll have a lot more info to work with tomorrow, but we need to get it right today to have a chance!

[Battle Mage]

Also if Paragon is scum, Eyestott is definitely town which helps.

[Paragon]

Are you playing based on the assumption that there's 2 or 3 scum?

The really big problem if eyestott is town, is that he will side with scum!Taly over anyone else if this is LyLo, which is slightly worrying, since we need all 4 town to be correct here if this is LyLo.

[Battle Mage]

Are you playing based on the assumption that there's 2 or 3 scum?

The really big problem if eyestott is town, is that he will side with scum!Taly over anyone else if this is LyLo, which is slightly worrying, since we need all 4 town to be correct here if this is LyLo.

Evidently 3, that's why I said I assume it's LYLO...

And yes that's right re: Eyestott

[eyestott]

Hypothetical question which I’m asking to promote discussion rather than for seeking advice:
If I were a vanilla townie, when would be the best/worst time to claim it?

Ha! You fools! ‘Twas not a hypothetical question, it was a crumb!
I’m a neopolitan.
Night one I targeted Luca, getting a VT result. So I was quite excited to hear this news.

Only to discover that not only was he dead, BUT ANOTHER VT TOO. 3/3 of the dead people were VTs by the time I said fuck at the start of D2. My first post was representative of me thinking “ugh, I’m probably the only investigative, and I’m likely gonna have no useful results.”

Night 2 I decided the same strategy of investigating a strong townread that I can get behind if I can clear them as a VT. I investigated Taly, and got a “not a VT” result.

I am interested in maybe having a VT claim so I can force the scum to either kill myself, the townie who isn’t doing well at scumhunting, or risk having two confirmed townies tomorrow.

Taly, I’m willing to townbloc with you for the rest of D3.

I'm baffled that Eyestott thinks this means Taly is somehow confirmed town. I mean surely he couldn't actually believe that right?

I believe (at least) one of Eyestott and Paragon must be scum, based on voting patterns. Instinctively I believe the Eyestott claim, but the behaviour towards Taly, given we are presumably at LYLO, makes me hesitate on that.

No, I don’t. But I find Taly to be the most likely person to be town here. And I’m willing to, just for this day, work with that fact.

[Battle Mage]

For your delectation, some Day 1 Churros highlights:

Anyway, my reads are roughly:

Paragon/Eyecott - very likely town

Pops/Ame - pretty town

Wisp/Yshtar/Allo - more likely town than not

[Math, Luca] - more likely than not to have scum in it

[Fuzzy, Taly] - at least one scum here.

Out of Wisp/Allo/Yshtar, I like Yshtar the most even if you guys can't comprehend. One of the reasons is we're masons with the modifier of not having each other alignments confirmed (but we're still masons got it?). Another reason is a spiritual read (no irony). Not interested on explaining right now.

I'm to some degree confident one of [Fuzzy/Taly] is scum as well, if not both. Especially Taly.

Of his 4 scumreads, 3 are now confirmed town. If Churros is scum, I think he'd stick 1 of his buddies in that upper-tier, so that would be Taly.

Would you hate me even if Taly really is scum though?

Trying to curry favour if Taly is scum, which perhaps he knows to be true.

Allo, wouldn't you be interested in Taly, or at least Fuzzy?

I remember you saying Fuzzy was in your PoE as well, do you think NDmath is the higher odds lynch here or it's just because he already has a wagon on him opposed to fuzzy?

Very keen to be seen to press Taly, but actually remaining open to town lynches too.

I just remembered Ame actually hinted at scum!Taly as well.

Ame, not interested on my beef with him?

Again, trying very hard to be seen to suspect Taly, while his other town suspects are lynched.

Blake, I could settle on Fuzzy for today but what if I tell you I'm getting a deja-vu on your strong TR in Taly? Not budging?

Look at associatives between Fuzzy x Taly that I talked about. Not even a finger of self-doubt?

Tying Taly to Fuzzy, to when Fuzzy-town flips (as he did), it makes Taly seem town.

VOTE: Fuzzy

Joins the bandwagon (3rd joiner) on Fuzzy instead. Not long prior to this, Taly had started OMGUSing Churros too.

[Battle Mage]

Hypothetical question which I’m asking to promote discussion rather than for seeking advice:
If I were a vanilla townie, when would be the best/worst time to claim it?

Ha! You fools! ‘Twas not a hypothetical question, it was a crumb!
I’m a neopolitan.
Night one I targeted Luca, getting a VT result. So I was quite excited to hear this news.

Only to discover that not only was he dead, BUT ANOTHER VT TOO. 3/3 of the dead people were VTs by the time I said fuck at the start of D2. My first post was representative of me thinking “ugh, I’m probably the only investigative, and I’m likely gonna have no useful results.”

Night 2 I decided the same strategy of investigating a strong townread that I can get behind if I can clear them as a VT. I investigated Taly, and got a “not a VT” result.

I am interested in maybe having a VT claim so I can force the scum to either kill myself, the townie who isn’t doing well at scumhunting, or risk having two confirmed townies tomorrow.

Taly, I’m willing to townbloc with you for the rest of D3.

I'm baffled that Eyestott thinks this means Taly is somehow confirmed town. I mean surely he couldn't actually believe that right?

I believe (at least) one of Eyestott and Paragon must be scum, based on voting patterns. Instinctively I believe the Eyestott claim, but the behaviour towards Taly, given we are presumably at LYLO, makes me hesitate on that.

No, I don’t. But I find Taly to be

the most likely person to be town here

. And I’m willing to, just for this day, work with that fact.

Why on earth would you find Taly the most likely person to be town here?

I've literally never seen anyone so obviously scum....

[eyestott]

I'm a lot more confident on Taly being scum than eyestott. Just because of the manner of his claim and explaining his previous thoughts on prior day phases. Why do you think Churros is the obvious partner rather than Something_Smart?

When you say “the manner of his claim” which of us are you referring to?

[Battle Mage]

Anyway, as you can see from post 2168, if Churros is scum, Taly is definitely positively guaranteed scum.

[Battle Mage]

Eyestott - please explain how you can possibly think Taly is town....

[eyestott]

Hypothetical question which I’m asking to promote discussion rather than for seeking advice:
If I were a vanilla townie, when would be the best/worst time to claim it?

Ha! You fools! ‘Twas not a hypothetical question, it was a crumb!
I’m a neopolitan.
Night one I targeted Luca, getting a VT result. So I was quite excited to hear this news.

Only to discover that not only was he dead, BUT ANOTHER VT TOO. 3/3 of the dead people were VTs by the time I said fuck at the start of D2. My first post was representative of me thinking “ugh, I’m probably the only investigative, and I’m likely gonna have no useful results.”

Night 2 I decided the same strategy of investigating a strong townread that I can get behind if I can clear them as a VT. I investigated Taly, and got a “not a VT” result.

I am interested in maybe having a VT claim so I can force the scum to either kill myself, the townie who isn’t doing well at scumhunting, or risk having two confirmed townies tomorrow.

Taly, I’m willing to townbloc with you for the rest of D3.

I'm baffled that Eyestott thinks this means Taly is somehow confirmed town. I mean surely he couldn't actually believe that right?

I believe (at least) one of Eyestott and Paragon must be scum, based on voting patterns. Instinctively I believe the Eyestott claim, but the behaviour towards Taly, given we are presumably at LYLO, makes me hesitate on that.

No, I don’t. But I find Taly to be

the most likely person to be town here

. And I’m willing to, just for this day, work with that fact.

Why on earth would you find Taly the most likely person to be town here?

I've literally never seen anyone so obviously scum....

Im not sure I see it, but I’m open to you pointing things out.

[Taly]

We shouldn't vote straight away! Assuming the worst and 3 scum, it's LyLo; so we need to wary of quickhammers.

Current readslist:

Aloratom
Churros
Battle Mage
Taly
Something_Smart
eyestott

Blake Belladonna dying is slightly unexpected. Looking at her final readslist, it makes me feel better about there not being 2 scum in her town section, and slightly better about eyestott/Something_Smart being scum.
Also, you killed pops, Blake; how could you :c

Battle Mage + Taly + Something_Smart would be cool..

To address your "scumslip": Ame's part of my hivemind which currently includes {popsofctown, Luca Blight, Ame, Blake Belladonna}. It may prove problematic if Ame was scum however.

Go go, Something_Smart. So I can claim before I call it a night.

I've not wanted to mention this, but I do think the high replace out-rate from the Ame slot might be scum-indicative.

I just reISOed Aloratom a little while trying to look for reasons for him being scum, but it only shored up my townread.

Also VT

Are you playing based on the assumption that there's 2 or 3 scum?

The really big problem if eyestott is town, is that he will side with scum!Taly over anyone else if this is LyLo, which is slightly worrying, since we need all 4 town to be correct here if this is LyLo.

I am COMPLETELY confused by your read progression here.

1) Aloratom

is top-town but you had to reconsider him for some reason? For what?

2)

What do you mean by

S_S/Taly/BM

do you mean town or scum? Because you just had all 3 of us at the bottom of your readslist outside of

eyestott

and for you to address any townread on me but not

eyestott

is weird as fuck.

3)

But... it's even more odd regardless of your stance, because even though you've said

Eyestott

is potential scum at possibly 2 points in the above -

(you never really clarified)

- you just gave the alternative that I'm scum and he'll side with me?

Why aren't you trying to see WHY we townread each other? These posts are both dancing around a concrete stance on players without actually assessing us yourself.

And you never elaborated on your

BM slot

read. Like, probably ever? Now's a good time for you to start if you even believe there's a chance we're in lylo.

And ALSO - how am I groupscum?

The only killing non-scum role we know was a

1-shot VIG

and I'm a

2-shot BP

;

it's mechanically impossible for me to be groupscum here, and Blake never adhered to this idea on my slot YET you perpetuate that notion!

You can fail your shot tonight to try and invalidate my claim.