Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[Jingle]

Vote Count #1.10
Halloween	Christmas
With 9 Alive, it is 5 to Lynch or No Lynch! SirCakez (3): Baezu, Trojan Horses, Shuichi Saihara, Baezu (2): Lie Ren, SirCakez, Trojan Horses (1): Radiant Cowbells, Lie Ren (1): Vecna, Vecna (1): We are not helping, We are not helping (0): Radiant Cowbells (0): GuyInFreezer (0): Shuichi Saihara (0): Not Voting (1): GuyInFreezer,	With 9 Alive, it is 5 to Lynch or No Lynch! mastina (2): Not Mafia, BBMolla, jjh (2): Wonderwalll, Gobbledegook, Not_Mafia (1):Elmo teh AzN, Northsidegal (1):mastina, Wonderwalll (0): Elmo teh AzN (0): farside (0): Gobbledegook (0): BBMolla (0): Not Voting (3): jjh, farside, northsidegal,

[Baezu]

How does accusing the towniest player in the game of being scum a town-motivated move?

In fact, can you tell me what makes him the

towniest

player in the game, in your own words? Or are you just saying that because he's consensus townread?
Do you have meta with Gobbles to inform you?

To me he is oozing town. Dunno what to tell you if you cant see it

[Wonderwalll]

I need to talk to ali

[Wonderwalll]

Before I re-enter

[Shuichi Saihara]

trojan's push on me is full of junk I've already dissected and ceph has nothing other than the """scumslip"""" so not sure what to say here

This isn't accurate, I just haven't summed up everything in a nice digestible package.

[Wonderwalll]

Anyone here wanna catch me up

[Shuichi Saihara]

shuichi why are you SRing me aside from the "slip" thing?

Yeah I can try to answer this I guess. I don't feel like it but I'm the Ultimate Detective so I have to have logic in here somewhere.

[Baezu]

Anyone here wanna catch me up

Here a catch up for you-

Vote wonderwall
They're scum

[We are not helping]

trojan horse plz help me not disappoint bitmap and gimme ur work on sircakez

-oka

[SirCakez]

Baezu do you think Wonderwall and I are bussing each other?

[Shuichi Saihara]

I need to talk to ali

Before I re-enter

Like hell you do.

Anyone else liking Baezu just now, or is that just me?

[Trojan Horses]

the subtle sheeping of RC stances at some point, was feeling I got, need to solidify
playing to his self proclaimed scum meta by not reading strongly enough to pushes on him, but I'm noting something here that I'll reveal a while later - follow up on me with this
and pt slip / not buying that his explanation for saying that is wholly consistent with his further posts, eg response to me when I "shaded" him and called it a good sign
Some cases of bad scumhunting (like scumreading things which I felt should be NAI early game)
Continued scumread of Vecna after I feel Vecna has been town
Stance on me seems a bit ick given he didn't feel I was scum diverting to him after I townread Vecna while Vecna felt scummy

Tried to fill in some more. I don't think ant of them are particularly strong reasons individually, but I want a wagon there anyway

[SirCakez]

I need to talk to ali

Before I re-enter

Like hell you do.

Anyone else liking Baezu just now, or is that just me?

readslist in 2246 was p bad so not really
<3 though I love you too as a player Baezu

[Shuichi Saihara]

I feel we get more info from lynching in Christmas rn. I would like a Wonderwall lynch but that probably isn't going to happen. I'd be ok with Dolittle or Elmo.
There are a lot of active people who I don't know what to do with in Halloween so I don't want to lynch here yet
I guess we could do Jormun. But that doesn't tell us that much because he's ~universally scumread. There's no way he lives until a possible LyLo anyways.

Why isn't Wonderwall going to happen? I don't think anyone is town reading them. I'd like Elmo to post more or be replaced before we consider lynching their essentially empty iso.

I feel like a lot of players in this game are sorta apathetic so we're gonna end up with somethign like Jormun/Dolittle lynches

to expand on this even though most people are fairly active I'm not seeing a lot of passion from anyone if that makes sense?
Like there's a lot of rah rah but no one cares tooo much about who gets lynched. Evidence by the fact that no wagons are really building up anywhere.

It's early. I don't feel a lot of apathy going around either. I think this will happen in time (or when RC decides it shall be so). Also theres that request on the table not to run anyone up too high; otherwise I expect Jorm would be at L-1.

Actually, Cakez, why are you pointing at Amrun now? What about your Wonderwall scumread? It seems to me like I questioned why you weren't interested in pushing them and you've responded with "look over there! An inactive!"

^This was something that bothered me a lot and yes I do think you are bussing Wonderwall.

[Trojan Horses]

To me he is oozing town. Dunno what to tell you if you cant see it

Yes... Explain with more words
Tell me what in his play makes him the towniest player.
What did he do that oozed town to you?

[Shuichi Saihara]

I need to talk to ali

Before I re-enter

Like hell you do.

Anyone else liking Baezu just now, or is that just me?

readslist in 2246 was p bad so not really
<3 though I love you too as a player Baezu

What's bad about it? Do you just disagree with the actual reads, or do you think the thoughts don't read as genuine?

[We are not helping]

lmao why would sircakez reveal his scum meta and then play to it lol

ok im going to look into this pt slip more deeply

-oka

[Trojan Horses]

Oh I like Baezu's readslist.

[We are not helping]

ehh i can buy sircakez explanation of a good sign and since sircakez has been voting jormen for a long time it makes sense

idk if thats really AI

-oka

[Trojan Horses]

lmao why would sircakez reveal his scum meta and then play to it lol

I mean, it's not like it's some secret no one knows, right? Pretty sure someone's familiar with that meta. If he didn't mention it when I asked him about his self-meta, someone else would and that'd be a bad look for him
Plays to it because inability to play against it?

[SirCakez]

Stance on me seems a bit ick given he didn't feel I was scum diverting to him after I townread Vecna while Vecna felt scummy

I mean I understand why some other people are TRing Vecna I just don't buy into it myself. You TRing Vecna doesn't make you scummy automatically. Like RC (who is strongly TR) is TRing Vecna now but I'm not finding him scummy.
I think that's what you're addressing there? If not correct me.

I feel we get more info from lynching in Christmas rn. I would like a Wonderwall lynch but that probably isn't going to happen. I'd be ok with Dolittle or Elmo.
There are a lot of active people who I don't know what to do with in Halloween so I don't want to lynch here yet
I guess we could do Jormun. But that doesn't tell us that much because he's ~universally scumread. There's no way he lives until a possible LyLo anyways.

Why isn't Wonderwall going to happen? I don't think anyone is town reading them. I'd like Elmo to post more or be replaced before we consider lynching their essentially empty iso.

I feel like a lot of players in this game are sorta apathetic so we're gonna end up with somethign like Jormun/Dolittle lynches

to expand on this even though most people are fairly active I'm not seeing a lot of passion from anyone if that makes sense?
Like there's a lot of rah rah but no one cares tooo much about who gets lynched. Evidence by the fact that no wagons are really building up anywhere.

It's early. I don't feel a lot of apathy going around either. I think this will happen in time (or when RC decides it shall be so). Also theres that request on the table not to run anyone up too high; otherwise I expect Jorm would be at L-1.

Actually, Cakez, why are you pointing at Amrun now? What about your Wonderwall scumread? It seems to me like I questioned why you weren't interested in pushing them and you've responded with "look over there! An inactive!"

^This was something that bothered me a lot and yes I do think you are bussing Wonderwall.

This is more understandable.
I think I said this earlier but I was trying to expand my reads given that I had a lot of nulls and Amrun was prominent among them. And my Wonderwall push had hit a brick wall. I'm finding it hard to push people not in my game.
p-edit: a lot of the reads reasoning felt made-up and fake. I don't have any qualms with the reads themselves.

[Baezu]

To me he is oozing town. Dunno what to tell you if you cant see it

Yes... Explain with more words
Tell me what in his play makes him the towniest player.
What did he do that oozed town to you?

124180194211212 etc etc

He is his town meta bro

[Trojan Horses]

Wow! One more thing I agree with Ceph about
Reading posts when the order is opposite is super wonky

[SirCakez]

I still don't understand the "playing to my scum meta" argument
I haven't been getting annoyed at people pushing me because I haven't had a serious chance of being lynched until now. I already said this.

[Baezu]

To me he is oozing town. Dunno what to tell you if you cant see it

Yes... Explain with more words
Tell me what in his play makes him the towniest player.
What did he do that oozed town to you?

124 180 194 211 212 etc etc

He is his town meta bro