Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[RadiantCowbells]

Mastina can't still be calling NSG scum or she needs to die.

[mastina]

as for wonderwall
, just called them newbtown and basically they've been prodging since then
-oka

Ah yes a hydra of our current rising star and (if I recall correctly) a winner of a past rising star (who basically hasn't gone a year without a scummie nom if not outright scummie win), players who have played hundreds of games, is newbtown. Sounds about right!

[Trojan Horses]

As scum, the mindset behind a fake hammer is to earn some quick cheap instant towncred; get people to townread you who weren't before, and increase the strength of existing townreads on your slot--sounds like a pretty good deal, doesn't it?

It doesn't prevent other town from using that information, though, and NSG could've easily faked "analyzing the reactions".

[We are not helping]

as for wonderwall
, just called them newbtown and basically they've been prodging since then
-oka

Ah yes a hydra of our current rising star and (if I recall correctly) a winner of a past rising star (who basically hasn't gone a year without a scummie nom if not outright scummie win), players who have played hundreds of games, is newbtown. Sounds about right!

nope not what that means

-oka

[mastina]

mastina is still scum and the lack of response after the "hammer" solidified that for me

Fuck off Molla.

Your tunnel on me is fucking old and it's nothing but fucking air.

I did fucking respond.

I was catching up in real time and I was fucking posting the entire time, nonstop, in this game. I never went elsewhere; I never took a break. Unless you count bathroom breaks, coffee breaks, breakfast breaks, etc., because half the time I'm playing this game while neglecting basic body needs. (I wouldn't be able to tell you the exact times I attended to those needs because I don't remember when I do those activities, they're every day things you don't think about doing--well, except for right now. Gotta use the bathroom so there will be a break between this post and my next.)

[We are not helping]

Can we like lynch/push jjh?

I'm actually quite happy with NSG's catchup and NSG has redeemed her slot for the most part.

-bitmap

[RadiantCowbells]

for the most part.

[Trojan Horses]

Wagons anywhere would be great

[gobbledygook]

Can we like lynch/push jjh?

I'm actually quite happy with NSG's catchup and NSG has redeemed her slot for the most part.

-bitmap

I’m trying to do the lord’s work but no one is following me

[We are not helping]

gobbles 4 president

-oka

[mastina]

she made a post at the same time as the hammer
the next post was 10 minutes later

To what gap are you referring?

cut back the indignation about 20% and focus on who ur scumreading a bit more.

northsidegal is scum this game because fuck other games, fuck her activity sitewide, fuck that all--purely off of this game, her content doesn't hold up as town.

She is avoiding giving opinions on just about everyone. The few stances she has which are in any way controversial, she is carefully avoiding committing to. She is deliberately not giving actual scumhunting.

Wonderwall is scum because both heads are chronic lurking and have avoided the whole game actually providing content.

RadiantCowbells has been posting incredibly manipulative content the entire game and has had a scum aura the entire fucking game. He's been avoiding pushing strong, he's been avoiding controlling the town, he's been avoiding the spotlight. He's been more or less hanging around, and he's doing the very thing he's accusing me of in a blatant projection attempt. He says that I've only shown up recently, when in fact if you look at his 'contributions' throughout the game, only recently has he stepped up and even in that stepping up he hasn't delivered.

As just the core.

This was posted after the fake hammer.

I am still waiting for a good explanation why your so certain we are town.

Basically.
Your slot made yourselves immediately obvtown from the everything. The aura your partners were emitting, what they were doing, how they were interacting, their contributions. There wasn't a lick of scum to be had in them. You had a level of casualness to your posts, an ease in a gamestate where it felt like scum were stilted--in a gamestate where it felt like scum were afraid to contribute, in a gamestate where it felt like scum had trepidation with regards to being active, invested, and such, your slot

wasn't

and was very much the opposite. Unafraid, willing to be in the spotlight, casual, with ease, naturalness, no forced content, nothing. Just an aura of radiant town energy.

I could maybe, maybe,

maybe

see you if you were solo doing it, and I definitely if you were solo would be paranoid of any given townread I'd have on you.

But you're not solo; there's three of you and I can't see any world where all three of you manage to play the way you have this game if you're actually scum.

Why is RC not sure, and u are?

Because RC is scum and I am town.

This was my next post.
Keep in mind that I fucking read as I go. So in 1844, I was reading, and responding to, 1859. In 1914, I had to read 1860, 1861, 1862, 1863, 1864, 1865, 1866, 1867, 1868, 1869, 1870, and then read AND respond to 1871.

Look at the length of all of the posts in question, along with the length of my response.

So.
You think I can read all of those posts and write a lengthy response to 1871, in less than ten minutes?

DO YOU?

Be fucking honest.
Ten minutes is a fucking godly good time given how much I was reading.

[mastina]

Did something happen here? I went to bed and woke up and there was 20 pages.

Yeah. Idiots wagoned me.
Scum (RC) called me scum.

[mastina]

because mastina existing is hugely antitown if shes town

You keep saying this and yet it is patently untrue.

[SirCakez]

Mastina you realize you're alienating everyone with your posting style right now, right?

[farside]

if i knew that in the future i would townread you then i would already townread you, and the same holds true for any read on any person, right?

i don't really have an answer for you, and any numbers would just be made up.

What info did you get from you fake hammer of mastina?
What are you reads as a whole for the group you are in?

Why do you expect instant analysis from her? Now that you know it's a doctored VC, it's fact that she knew it was wrong. What now, Mastina?

Now I admit that I was wrong and that she did in fact know it was wrong.

Beyond that--if you're expecting a magical 180 on my nsg read from scum to town? You're a moron.

NSG knew she was fake-hammering.

Fake-hammering is not inherently a town action.

You have to look at the mindset behind the fake hammer.

As scum, the mindset behind a fake hammer is to earn some quick cheap instant towncred; get people to townread you who weren't before, and increase the strength of existing townreads on your slot--sounds like a pretty good deal, doesn't it?

As town, the mindset behind a fake hammer is, explicitly, to gather information, analyze this information, and garner conclusions from it on multiple slots--and yet, nsg has yet to show she is doing this, she's yet to show this is what she was aiming for, she's yet to actually go through with anything regarding it.

NSG pulled off the fake hammer, and did nothing with it.

If someone pulls off a fake hammer and does nothing which it, which mindset does that more closely resemble? The town one of using it for information, or the scum one of using it for cheap towncred? The answer seems apparent enough.

That having been said.
VOTE: Wonderwall.
I will acknowledge that regardless of whether my read here is right on this being scum nsg, we're not getting an actual lynch on her today due to people insisting "but it must've been from a town nsg!!!".

Why do you post about nsg, but vote for wonderwall? Like why are you not pushing harder on your scum read? I didn't disagree with you about her doing nothing with her fake hammer but the vote change makes no sense at all coming from you.

Can we like lynch/push jjh?

I'm actually quite happy with NSG's catchup and NSG has redeemed her slot for the most part.

-bitmap

I say meh.

[mastina]

Why not the Ren lui slot?

Because Gamma's content this game is thoroughly null at worst.

why is the GIF slot not lock town to you over the stuff bernadette did?

Because Bernadetta did fuckall of nothing? She weakly stated a townread, weakly stated a second townread, says an anime name (which is not specific) is scum, says it's too easy, gives a lousy pool, and her sole contribution to the game, the one and only thing she's done that was in any way actual scumhunting, was one defense she made about your slot. (Which, to be fair, she has more posts on him.)

That contribution isn't enough to be lockscum of lockscum, but there's nothing even remotely worthy of locktown in it. It's a stretch to call it town at all.

[Trojan Horses]

I will acknowledge that regardless of whether my read here is right on this being scum nsg, we're not getting an actual lynch on her today due to people insisting "but it must've been from a town nsg!!!".

@farside: Presumably because she's already pushed that slot, but people are townreading NSG and she (correctly) feels that she can't get a lynch there - don't you agree it's more productive to push elsewhere then?

Also, farside, have you fully read the game? The question you asked there -- about Mastina not pushing harder on her scumread and voting elsewhere -- have you noticed that another slot did something like that too?

[mastina]

It could be scum being upset about being wagoned for the wrong reasons, but this feels a bit bigger than that.

Well. If it helps. I can link to every scumgame of mine played pretty much ever and you can go searching in them for bouts of anger and what they are about.

I can also point out at least four (I think it might actually be five) examples of town anger off the top of my head for comparison to said scum bouts.

Easy enough to do.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why do you post about nsg, but vote for wonderwall? Like why are you not pushing harder on your scum read? I didn't disagree with you about her doing nothing with her fake hammer but the vote change makes no sense at all coming from you.

nah this aint it

[farside]

I will acknowledge that regardless of whether my read here is right on this being scum nsg, we're not getting an actual lynch on her today due to people insisting "but it must've been from a town nsg!!!".

@farside: Presumably because she's already pushed that slot, but people are townreading NSG and she (correctly) feels that she can't get a lynch there - don't you agree it's more productive to push elsewhere then?

Also, farside, have you fully read the game? The question you asked there -- about Mastina not pushing harder on her scumread and voting elsewhere -- have you noticed that another slot did something like that too?

I stopped reading around page 48 and my brain went to mush. I decided to iso after and just read maybe 5 pages back from where I posted my last comment.
I understand people are finding NSG town......how do I say this.....mastina has out and out ignored me from the start and it's bugging me. I'm trying to engage with her but she as well as NSG have avoiding conversing with me and I find it odd. More so with Mastina because we have a history.
Anyone that remembers me knows I can tunnel like a fool and not give a shit if anyone thinks that player is town. I also recall Mastina could really push a read if she feels she is in the right. The back and forth just reads off, but hey it's been a few years so i'm trying to get more from her then rants and emotional stuff. She never even responded to my last questions.

[farside]

Why do you post about nsg, but vote for wonderwall? Like why are you not pushing harder on your scum read? I didn't disagree with you about her doing nothing with her fake hammer but the vote change makes no sense at all coming from you.

nah this aint it

???

[RadiantCowbells]

look i dont like mastina but going after her for not going after nsg is not what you do here, go after her because her reads are bullshit and her entirely approach is bullshit and shes sticking to reads from page 1 that are extremely proscum but dont make sense

not because shes not voting nsg when nsg is clearly a terrible vote right now

[mastina]

ur literally voting vecna and just finsihed trying to quicklynch them and now you are trying to townblock with them

Honestly I'm at the point where I'm willing to call Vecna town. I know, been years since I played with him; I remember him having a somewhat strong scumgame; the slot was suspicious before he came in and if Vecna's scumgame is somewhat strong then his contributions shouldn't be enough to warrant that townread.

But at a certain point I have to go fuckit, the excuses to hold back on townreading him are exactly that, excuses, that the overwhelming feeling, aura, I get from him is that he is town and that, yes, he should be included in a townbloc. So in actuality,

Awesome.
{Vecna, Trojan Horses, WANH} townbloc

I don't actually have a problem with this.
I would suggest the inclusion of SirCakez--you might note that my reason for townreading Vecna is pretty much identical to him. That while I know SirCakez has a strong scumgame and that it's been years since I played with him, that the overwhelming feeling that I get from his aura is that he is town.

With those four as town, who're the five left in the game?
{RC, Shuichi Saihara, Baezu, Lie Ren, GuyInFreezer}.
I think that Lie Ren is null-at-worst, with a reasonable chance at being town.
I had an early townread on Baezu and I still think that holds.

So what does that leave?

{RC, Shuichi Saihara, GuyInFreezer}.

And I can see either Shuichi or GIF as being RC's scumbuddy. (I technically could see a Shuichi/GIF scumteam but like. This is RadiantCowbells's scumgame here, so. It's a question of finding him and his partner.)

To put that in readslist format:

We Are Not Helping + Trojan Horses (locktown of locktown of locktown)
SirCakez + Vecna (townbloc locktown)

Baezu (weak townread)


Lie Ren (nulltown read)

Shuichi Saihara + GuyInFreezer
RadiantCowbells.

[We are not helping]

for the most part.

Why are you so passive aggressive? You're not like this in the games I've played with you before. I liked it when you were gungho and pushing people but you're being really passive aggressive.

-bitmap

[mastina]

This game is very easy to read. People are just too hesitant to townread people for obviously towny shit.

Exactly.

I said it on page seven, and it continues to be true even much much later.