Mini 2134 Gin's Joint Pick4U - GAME OVER

[PenguinPower]

goodnight

[mastina]

Dunny, can we kill Pine if Bulba flips town

I mean, Bulb's definitely flipping town and Pine's definitely flipping scum so why do tomorrow what we can just as easily do today?

[mastina]

Mastina's role as described has no incentive to try to lynch mafia.

Sure doesn't!

And yet I am trying to lynch scum anyway because I townside as third parties, so.

[mastina]

Ari's been posting a little in the neighborhood. Mainly about people's drug choice.

Indeed. Still not out of his scum range levels of posting but I wouldn't damn him as definitely scum yet when we've got much better immediate suspects.

Lynch Pine, see what scum do, D2 reevaluate.

[mastina]

I'm having a hard time following the leap from

mastina

to

Bulbazak

, specifically

(Alisae/MariaR/Pine)

Well to be blunt--while that trio isn't the scumteam, it's got 1-2 scum in it for sure, so.

[mastina]

To my other point, trusting/listening to players who ask you to do things for them (especially factions that are not town) when you don't have complete knowledge and understanding of the result is

...Precisely what the game of mafia was built upon on a fundamental level and it doesn't work if you don't do this to some degree.

[mastina]

He refuses to discuss in good faith, his arguments are based in taking items out of context and misrepresentations. I don't see a good reason for a town player to be deceitful in this way

Mate frankly that's a description of your play, not Bulb's.

[mastina]

My problem with mastina's claim is that if fewer town is alive, it becomes easier to achieve her wincon. And from scum's perspective, it's better for them that mastina leaves the game instead of lynching her because that's one less lynch on town to achieve their wincon. So her 3p is scum sided.

All the more reason to fulfill it today rather than on D3 or so.

My OTHER problem with mastina's claim is that she would've probably noticed that and I don't believe she's a 3p

Well tough. I absolutely am. I will flip masturbator and the wincon will be shown to you all plain as day to be

precisely

, down to the letter, what I claimed it to be. Where I win by getting every living town player to masturbate and that this doesn't end the game.

I don't fucking lie about my role and you fucking KNOW I don't fucking lie about my roles PB so sure you can be scum here.

[mastina]

Which means town that don't consent to her claim are more likely to get shot at night

Considering the majority of those who aren't consenting are players who I'd find suspect.

I don't see this as a bad thing.
Scum would need to shoot scummy players, which makes lynching scum easier.

[Alisae]

Dunny, can we kill Pine if Bulba flips town

I mean, Bulb's definitely flipping town and Pine's definitely flipping scum so why do tomorrow what we can just as easily do today?

because im not as sure as you

[Ginngie]

Votecount

Bulbazak- 4 (Alisae, MariaR, Enter, Pine)

L - 3

Pine- 2 (mastina, Bulbazak)

L - 5

mastina- 1 (Lady Lambdadelta)

L - 6

Not Voting - 13 MINUS THE NUMBERS ABOVE ADDED FUCK THIS PART (The Rest of you fucks)

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

At deadline,

Pink Ball

would be lynched.

Day One's deadline is Monday, April 27th, @ 10:00 PM EST: (expired on 2020-04-27 22:00:00).

chronic masturbaters
-mastina
-Bulbazak
-PenguinPower
-Taly
-Pink Ball

[Enter]

To my other point, trusting/listening to players who ask you to do things for them (especially factions that are not town) when you don't have complete knowledge and understanding of the result is

...Precisely what the game of mafia was built upon on a fundamental level and it doesn't work if you don't do this to some degree.

No, it isn't, unless you're intentionally ignoring vital words places here intentionally

He refuses to discuss in good faith, his arguments are based in taking items out of context and misrepresentations. I don't see a good reason for a town player to be deceitful in this way

Mate frankly that's a description of your play, not Bulb's.

You cant provide me with a single example that supports your claim here given that I've approached in good faith where I can provide you with several alternatives. It's apparent you either hardly read any of what happened or are merely opposing me because you know I've opposed claims that support you, so frankly, fuck off with this bullshit. It's not just completely incorrect, it's real life pissing me off.

[Enter]

I'm really not in the mood to deal with your self contradictory garbage right now mastina, and you're currently talking yourself in a downward spiral. Given you've stated you intend to win in the easiest way possible I am begging you to shut the fuck up and back off.

[Enter]

Which means town that don't consent to her claim are more likely to get shot at night

Considering the majority of those who aren't consenting are players who I'd find suspect.

I don't see this as a bad thing.
Scum would need to shoot scummy players, which makes lynching scum easier.

Good thing you're third party and have already announced your freedom from legitimately reading the thread and have no need to town read anyone not agreeing with you anyways, not to mention you're currently town reading me and Dunn harder than anyone else in the game with the exception of Bulb, and that doesn't seem particularly consistent with this claim, does it? It's almost like you're just making shit up that makes you feel good about your claims

Btw, it's not really important to me since I don't need to scumhunt this game but just for the record--Bulbazak and Dunnstral are painfully obviously town and Enter is so town I almost named him as a third with them; you can pretty much instantly locktown Bulb and Dunn, with Enter as very very very strong town on the verge of locktown.

[Enter]

Additionally, you conveniently point out how little importance scum hunting is to you in the same post. Soooo... Where's the weight to your reads again?

[Enter]

Wow I'm so pissed, the following post is soooo fucking garbage

He refuses to discuss in good faith, his arguments are based in taking items out of context and misrepresentations. I don't see a good reason for a town player to be deceitful in this way

Mate frankly that's a description of your play, not Bulb's.

[Pink Ball]

My problem with mastina's claim is that if fewer town is alive, it becomes easier to achieve her wincon. And from scum's perspective, it's better for them that mastina leaves the game instead of lynching her because that's one less lynch on town to achieve their wincon. So her 3p is scum sided.

All the more reason to fulfill it today rather than on D3 or so.

My OTHER problem with mastina's claim is that she would've probably noticed that and I don't believe she's a 3p

Well tough. I absolutely am. I will flip masturbator and the wincon will be shown to you all plain as day to be

precisely

, down to the letter, what I claimed it to be. Where I win by getting every living town player to masturbate and that this doesn't end the game.

I don't fucking lie about my role and you fucking KNOW I don't fucking lie about my roles PB so sure you can be scum here.

I'm calling you town, mastina. I believe your role, I don't believe you're a 3p

[Pink Ball]

But don't answer me, I don't want you to reveal more info

[Gamma Emerald]

ripping bandaid off

I'm having a hard time following the leap from

mastina

to

Bulbazak

, specifically

(Alisae/MariaR/Pine)

mastina- 4 (

Alisae

, Lady Lambdadelta,

Pine, MariaR

)

L - 3

Pink Ball - 1 (Bulbazak)

L - 6

Bulbazak- 1 (Taly)

L - 6

Pine - 1 (mastina)

L - 6

Bulbazak- 4 (

Alisae, MariaR

, Enter,

Pine

)

L - 3

mastina- 1 (Lady Lambdadelta)

L - 6

Pine- 1 (Bulbazak)

L - 6

The principle to lynching

mastina

is that she's not town, and I genuinely see no reason why

mastina

claims this if she's not 3p - because

town and scum

have incentive and an excuse to lynch her now... and this can't be faithfully written off as a

"safe bus"

for scum to make because the 3p claim is invalidated upon her lynch.

So

Bulbazak-mastina

are almost certainly not aligned here. At worst, it's a self-resolving gambit if they are.

But, why is

Bulbazak

scum for not sharing the willingness to policy lynch

mastina

and scumhunt elsewhere? Unless there's a meta reason that contradicts his way of thinking here, I don't understand how

Bulbazak

-scum has reason to give

mastina

the benefit of the doubt? Especially since everybody else finds a reason to say

mastina's

claim is fake?

I don't understand how

Bulbazak

-scum does this for

mastina

when there's little benefit and all the risk against him... and the

"let's policy lynch 3p-claimed

mastina

!"

feels forced when followed by

"let's lynch

Bulbazak

because he doesn't agree with us on how to handle

mastina

!"

If people believe

mastina

needs to die this dayphase, why is

Bulbazak

higher priority here?
And
If people believe lynching 3p MUST take priority over scumhunting, then why are people hopping off the

mastina

wagon?

This shifting mentality fucks with my brain a bit.

So this is my question and assertion to you three:

(Alisae/MariaR/Pine)

I don't follow your thought process, here.

Alright. This honestly looks like a good place to start hunting.
VOTE: Pine
Out of this set you’ve got a vote on you already

[Gamma Emerald]

I recognize and agree that MariaR and Pine could very easily be scum

Why is Alisae not mentioned?

[Gamma Emerald]

There was an SK and a backup SK in mainstream mafia II

They were aligned. Not that that's relevant

Yeah it’s not. That game was 40 players. A game on my homesite had 48 players and a tandem SK duo (one actually killed while the other provided the BP effect for the pair). This game is 13 players. Run the math on that, why don’t you? We’re not going to have a backup SK in a game this small.

Enter tell me why you’re asking stupid questions.

[Gamma Emerald]

Let me rephrase:

Enter, why are you saying things that act helpful but contribute nothing overall?

[Gamma Emerald]

Quentin Tarantino is a pretty good director in general, IMO

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood wasn't for me

I liked it but I wouldn’t have watched it if Flavor Leaf and eth0s weren’t fucking nerds about it

[Enter]

Let me rephrase:

Enter, why are you saying things that act helpful but contribute nothing overall?

I'm not

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think there's any excitement in just asking everyone to do the one thing that wins her the game. I think that if it were as easy and simple as she says it is, she would enjoy a little resistance and seek to spend the game trying to lure people into achieving her wincon. I don't think she gets much enjoyment out of everyone immediately agreeing to do what she wants.

Well to be blunt.

You have the wrong read on me fella.

I play to win before I play to have fun.

And I'll go straight to the throat on those endeavors.

If I had the ability to win on post 1 or post 9999, your assessment would suggest I'd choose the 9999--I wouldn't; I'd choose the win on post 1.

Btw I’m with mastina here because of goddamn principle, because I tried to do this as 3p once and got slaughtered for it. So like no way do I turn my back on her.

Btw

Guess I’ll masturbate