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[mavsfan41]

I wouldn’t even say I pushed Allomancer day 1. I lumped him with Paragon who I theorized about but didn’t push. My posting about Allomancer could hardly be considered pushing and even less to be considered “pushing all day” which was the reason you gave in post 892. You’re reaching hardcore here. This framing and over-exaggeration of my actions here are pretty ridiculous. In fact, I was even called out by Cat Scratch Fever of not pushing enough. So which is it?

As for Bambi-Jay, she’s a deceiving player. They post enough I feel where the volume of posts didn’t strike me as lurking so to me they’ve been flying under the radar. They don’t add much to the game the other way other players have, but honestly, the pace of this game has slowed sooooo much. So sure, I’ll lump her with Geraintm and Allomancer with respect to their day 3 posts. But Bambi hasn’t done anything that shows scum (nothing that implies town either) but she’s hardly alone in this. With all due respect, you gathered a bunch of votes the end of day 1 for being largely inactive after the Morning Tweet interaction. So sure, there’s prob at least one scum flying under the radar and it’s been easier day 3 and easy day 2 with the early day Titus confession. Whether this is Bambi-Jay? Not sure. With how slow the pace of the game is; so you there are two players flying under the radar who are scum? The one thing I will say about Bambi is that they have only voted twice, both in day 1. Once for iDanyboy and the other for Espressojet. They resisted the Titus vote which seemed easy for scum to wagon unsuspectingly. Bambi is lurking, sure, but not pushing for lynches.

[Malakittens]

@Malakittens: you’ve voted geraintm today for the lack of content and some less than enthusiastic posts today. Looking over day 3 posts, Allomancer could be classified similarly. Thoughts? You reading Allomancer in the same way as Geraintm?

Allo at least has some town moments in his posts. Gera does not today and I feel like the Gera is a good spot to catch scum right now.

Gerain, are you still scumreading Trollie?

I see no reason to really change my opinion on them, they haven't done anything to put them in the town pile for me

I love how you ignored my vote on you. However posting stuff like this. Also your opinion on the neighbor thing is kinda “meh”.

Guess the neighbors don't have to reveal if they don't wanna. Feels weird though to know that they exist like that.

Something on this post also seems odd. It’s like I don’t really have an opinion, but I’m ok either way, but i kinda want to know because I need to have thoughts on where to place my next killll.

I think the masons and neighbours are safe

if mav, germ and bambi are not in it. As i reckon their prob the scum team

I might be able to be sold on this team.
Not scum, just on holiday this week and Easter long weekend, so not at computer much so not typing often. Lazy not scum

Sorry

Yep scummyyy.

Well Molla was a major town read for me, but with him dead..
I’m slightly townreading allo and I have a gut town read on trollie, but that’s prob wrong in hindsight considering what he’s pushing rn

Why is gera a better vote than Bambi?

I have to take a closer look on them both. Bambi’s post D2 bothered me with the whole Titus thing. The fact she felt like she KNEW Titus was fakeclaiming as town really bothered me. However Bambi didn’t really give a real option to an alternative place. White knighting is still a thing nowadays?

[bob3141]

I wouldn’t even say I pushed Allomancer day 1. I lumped him with Paragon who I theorized about but didn’t push. My posting about Allomancer could hardly be considered pushing and even less to be considered “pushing all day” which was the reason you gave in post 892. You’re reaching hardcore here. This framing and over-exaggeration of my actions here are pretty ridiculous. In fact, I was even called out by Cat Scratch Fever of not pushing enough. So which is it?

As for Bambi-Jay, she’s a deceiving player. They post enough I feel where the volume of posts didn’t strike me as lurking so to me they’ve been flying under the radar. They don’t add much to the game the other way other players have, but honestly, the pace of this game has slowed sooooo much. So sure, I’ll lump her with Geraintm and Allomancer with respect to their day 3 posts. But Bambi hasn’t done anything that shows scum (nothing that implies town either) but she’s hardly alone in this. With all due respect, you gathered a bunch of votes the end of day 1 for being largely inactive after the Morning Tweet interaction. So sure, there’s prob at least one scum flying under the radar and it’s been easier day 3 and easy day 2 with the early day Titus confession. Whether this is Bambi-Jay? Not sure. With how slow the pace of the game is; so you there are two players flying under the radar who are scum? The one thing I will say about Bambi is that they have only voted twice, both in day 1. Once for iDanyboy and the other for Espressojet. They resisted the Titus vote which seemed easy for scum to wagon unsuspectingly. Bambi is lurking, sure, but not pushing for lynches.

See you realy are trying hard to shade my push on bambi. You made a fence sitting push on allomancer at at time he was voting you. instead of saying you though he was town or scum. you kept usign langauge like im torn.

. You wouldnt come down on the side of me being scum or being on the side of one of teh wagoners being scum. Feels to me liek your scum that knows teh wagon was all town and that im town. And taht you didnt want to been drawn into picking a side yet.

You even make out taht my scum read on you is new. Did i not say day oen that you were scum sitting on the fence. Waitign to hop on to flash wagon.

Mav what makes your push/not push on so allo so bad as it was scum fence sittign. while tweet was pivoting. Yours was as rigid as can be. Cat no doubt is seeing things from the other side. I see you trying to probe alloc to see if you can hope onto him. It would of been more towny of you if had gone hard after allomancer or hard pushed him as town. Reeked of someone hoping to hold off beign involved in my mislynch. With you needing to show a sign of doubt on the wagon. You see i never said in that one sentance post what i found scummy about your push or what i meant by push. Oh and did i not ended with question mark

You took a sentance and made a desperate case. Responding so strongly to question where i ask you if you think thats why I strongly that i scum read you. And see how you jumped so strongly onto the hole para thing.


Ignoring the fact that ive saying that its your fencesitting in relation to para and my wagon. Unlike tweet day one you had no strong feeling towards me. Yet as you now claim you never felt any need to push para. If he was teh most likely to be scum on my wagon. Why did you not feel you liked the wagon composition. And think like tweet although wrongly thats the odds were good. Rather than joining espresso lynch if you wer town i would of thought you would have voted me. The only reason i can think of is that you thought you had my mislynch banked. With you hoping to flash lynch a town pr day one. With the chance to use tweets death to frame me and still get me mislynched.




And its quite reach to use a another players opinion. Cat might think your scum for not pushing allomancer hard but that has nothign to do with me nor my opinion of you.


Mav your serously trying hard to shade trying to pick at any word you can. At every turn you avoid engaging with all of my reasons for scum reading you. So fixated on just one reason. As you cant challange the scummy associations with bambi. Why do you think i want bambi first as if im right on bambi that prety much makes you her scum partner. Neither of you have tried to scum hunt the other. Why at every turn do try and dismiss bambi as town even though she has done next to nothing. And atleast half of her posts have been information and not analysis


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So you think bambi is town?

You say she hasnt doen anything to show she is scum but has she doen anything to make you think she is town. Describe what you think she has done that makes you think she is trying to find scum. Rather thn scum just trying to hide under the radar.

Is there any thing that justifies. As i see we have had fair few wagons that look to be all town. You have my wagon from day one. You have titus wagon. Who only has allomancer and cat not yet flipped.

So if both of those are all town wagons. Then dont you think its likely that scum has been holding back voting for town? And if that was the case dont you think bambi perfectly matches scum trying to preserve their vote count record.

No serous attempt to push the wagon of titus day 2. Dont you think it looks like scum that thinks the wagon is sure to go through. And is avoiding derailing said wagon or beening seen to push it.

[bob3141]

corrected some grammar

See you are trying realy hard to shade my push on bambi. You made a fence sitting push on allomancer at at time he was voting you. instead of saying you though he was town or scum. you kept usign langauge like im torn.

You wouldnt come down on the side of me being scum or one of the wagoners being scum. Feels to me like your scum that knows the wagon was all town and that im town. And that you didnt want to be drawn into picking a side yet.

You even make out that my scum read on you is new. Did i not say day one that you were scum sitting on the fence. Waiting to hop on to flash wagon.

Mav what makes your push/not push on so allo so bad as it was scum fence sitting. While tweet was pivoting. Yours was as rigid as can be. Cat no doubt is seeing things from the other side. I see you trying to probe alloc to see if you can hope onto him. It would of been more towny of you if had gone hard after allomancer or hard pushed him as town. Reeked of someone hoping to hold off beign involved in my mislynch. With you needing to show a sign of doubt on the wagon. You see i never said in that one sentance post what i found scummy about your push or what i meant by push. Oh and did i not end that sentance with a question mark Very key part

You took a sentance and made a desperate case. Responding so strongly to question where i asked if you think that was the reason why I strongly scum read you. And see how you jumped so quickly onto the hole para thing. Clearly you realy want to get get what ever you can scrape up.

Ignoring the fact that ive saying that its your fencesitting in relation to para and my wagon. Unlike tweet day one you had no strong feeling towards me. Yet as you now claim you never felt any need to push para. If he was the most likely to be scum on my wagon. Why did you not feel you liked the wagon composition. And think like tweet although wrongly thats the odds were good. Rather than joining espresso lynch if you were town i would of thought you would have voted me. The only reason i can think of is that you thought you had my mislynch banked. With you hoping to flash lynch a town pr day one. With the chance to use tweets death to frame me and still get me mislynched.




And its quite reach to use a another players opinion. Cat might think your scum for not pushing allomancer hard but that has nothign to do with me nor my opinion of you.


Mav your serously trying hard to shade trying to pick at any word you can. At every turn you avoid engaging with all of my reasons for scum reading you. So fixated on just one reason. As you cant challange the scummy associations with bambi. Why do you think i want bambi first as if im right on bambi that prety much makes you her scum partner. Neither of you have tried to scum hunt the other. Why at every turn do try and dismiss bambi as town even though she has done next to nothing. And atleast half of her posts have been information and not analysis


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So you think bambi is town?

You say she hasnt doen anything to show she is scum but has she doen anything to make you think she is town. Describe what you think she has done that makes you think she is trying to find scum. Rather thn scum just trying to hide under the radar.

Is there any thing that justifies. As i see we have had fair few wagons that look to be all town. You have my wagon from day one. You have titus wagon. Who only has allomancer and cat not yet flipped.

So if both of those are all town wagons. Then dont you think its likely that scum has been holding back voting for town? And if that was the case dont you think bambi perfectly matches scum trying to preserve their vote count record.

No serous attempt to push the wagon of titus day 2. Dont you think it looks like scum that thinks the wagon is sure to go through. And is avoiding derailing said wagon or beening seen to push it.

[iDanyboy]

I feel like the amount Bob has pushed Bambi and the amount he has pushed Mav doesn't line up with him saying

i want bambi first as if im right on bambi that prety much makes you her scum partner.

[TheTrollie]

id vote gerain, Bambi, mala, or idanny today - sorta would like to keep mala around but like - still not convinced that slot is town.

i guess id vote outside of those but the rest of the players im feeling are prob town

[geraintm]

trying to have look over some people, see what my thoughts on them are.

alloamncer - as useful as me. no real commitemnts anywhere, super under the radar.

[geraintm]

I love how you ignored my vote on you. However posting stuff like this. Also your opinion on the neighbor thing is kinda “meh”.

your vote on me was for "feelings", and I can't blame you at all.
and my opinion on the neighbourhood is just meh. I didn't at first get why it was important until someone light a lightbulb, and now I just want it over with because it is dragging on and on and I don't want it to be a distraction, that seems a sensible viewpoint to me.
I have so little to contribute today, I am really struggling, so you can be annoyed at me for that. but being useless isn't the same as being scum, just want to remind you of that

[geraintm]

idany - I have no idea. I can't get any read from them today. I had no problem with the hammer btw, I was more than happy or the day to have ended. no scum read here

[geraintm]

bambi - they were miffed yesterday ended quickly...but so what.
other than that, I again have no strong scum read on them. there isn't much going on here, no votes or anything like that. today is just a huge blank.

[geraintm]

I think the masons and neighbours are safe

if mav, germ and bambi are not in it. As i reckon their prob the scum team

bob - well, more content than from anyone else. will gie that a town plus score
this post is bad though. no way anyone should be confident on their scum reads like this, picking out 3 scum.

is picking on the allomancer/me comparison, wondering why allomancer isn't being pushed as much. now, I know my slot and so I am wondering why someone is trying to shift focus away from a town slot to another. esp when they think I am scum and allomancer is town.
this actually makes me sit up and take notice, it just feels weird and wrong. I am not going to say def scum, but spidey senses are tingling, and it is more than I have got from anyone elseVOTE: bob

[geraintm]

I was waiting for titus replys. Danny you did hammer far to hasty. Though my gut is saying in that situation any scum not already on the wagon would simply let a townie hammer.

Couldn't you just have unvoted in that case?

CSF - I like tha above post
but got nothing else from them today. but if I am leaning bob as scum, that implies CSF is town

[SirCakez]

Votecount 3.2

bob3141 (2) - mavsfan41, geraintm
Bambi Jay (2) - Cat Scratch Fever, bob3141
mavsfan41 (1) - iDanyboy
geraintm (1) - Malakittens

Not voting (3) - TheTrollie, Bambi Jay, Allomancer

(expired on 2020-04-26 23:25:00) remain until day end

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

sorry I've been swamped at work lately

I will get to this tonight. Did anyone get around to checking bob's scum meta? If not, I can do it later

[Malakittens]

Will visit here later. Just need to sleep rn

[mavsfan41]

@bob3141: again, with the black and white on Bambi. I’m unsure of Bambi like I’m unsure on Allomancer and Geraintm. I feel as though they could all be considered to be low posting/lurking right now. And have done little since day 2.

I think day 2 with the quick lynch of Titus wasn’t informative of much but reading it over, your vote and how the response to Titus flipping VT is soooo scummy. 780 is the vote with 781 as a non-official vote count. Your 826 the first half reeks of scum. To pin blame on iDanyboy for the hammer when you could’ve done your part to make the lynch harder by unvoting. To be very clear, what I’m saying is that you’re trying to have it both ways by putting Titus at L-1 and then to lash out at the hammer vote. To take issue with iDanyboy’s hammer when there hadn’t been developments in the game and no one was going to budge from their vote seemed an extra shot. To drive this point further, Malakittens was upset too, but their reason was cause they wanted to chime in. Your reason was for Titus to respond. That post seems you to be trying to wash your hands when the flip is revealed as town.

At some point in the game I feel as though you’ve accused almost everyone of scum or at least thrown shade their way. This blind accusations throughout the game and especially day 3 tells me you’ve already got a scum scenario for day 4.

You had two separate wagons on you in day 1 with people thinking you’re scum. Your wagon at the end of the day was 3: BBmola (town) and Morning Tweet (town). Cat Scratch Fever was also on your wagon. You might only have avoided a lynch cause your scum buddies didn’t want to vote you. Who knows what would’ve happened day 2 without the whole Titus thing, but Titus being mislynched quickly prob saved you from a lynch. Now day 3, you’ve decided you need to act quickly before another wagon begins on you that you fear you’re not going to wriggle out of and you’re unlikely to get another player fake-claiming.

[Bambi Jay]

I'm unsure of many things, but I'm sure I can atleast add my vote to the counterwagon on Bob. I'm liking Mav, though with all the scum left that leaves my other options for town minimal.

VOTE: Bob

If Bob flips scum, then I think we can solve the game at the end. As long as the other Mason sticks around then I guess we're fine.

[geraintm]

I get worried anytime a wagon I am part of starts to get some momentum. I am so bad lately spotting scum that I am now just assuming mafia are just joining me
But I havent got anywhere better to place a vote

[bob3141]

I was waiting for titus replys. Danny you did hammer far to hasty. Though my gut is saying in that situation any scum not already on the wagon would simply let a townie hammer.

Couldn't you just have unvoted in that case?

CSF - I like tha above post
but got nothing else from them today. but if I am leaning bob as scum, that implies CSF is town

That is stupid reason for scum reading someone germa.

Shoudl of i unvoted maybe but as town you dont think of these things. You dont think when another towny migth act bad. Should i have unvoted Judge before he hammered him self maybe. Shoudl i have unvoted before slaxx hammered himself maybe. Should i of unvoted and not risk a townie lol hammering maybe.

But i like to see how players react to beign at l-1 and how players react to them being there. To find those lickign their chops at the lynch that there not on. See who is desperately trying to get another lynch or atleast more info from it. See who has become resigned.

Scum me would have no incentive to even be involved in the titus lynch. If this game i had been scum rather than town this game I would of passionately defended titus to get you all to lynch him.

[bob3141]

@bob3141: again, with the black and white on Bambi. I’m unsure of Bambi like I’m unsure on Allomancer and Geraintm. I feel as though they could all be considered to be low posting/lurking right now. And have done little since day 2.

I think day 2 with the quick lynch of Titus wasn’t informative of much but reading it over, your vote and how the response to Titus flipping VT is soooo scummy. 780 is the vote with 781 as a non-official vote count. Your 826 the first half reeks of scum. To pin blame on iDanyboy for the hammer when you could’ve done your part to make the lynch harder by unvoting. To be very clear, what I’m saying is that you’re trying to have it both ways by putting Titus at L-1 and then to lash out at the hammer vote. To take issue with iDanyboy’s hammer when there hadn’t been developments in the game and no one was going to budge from their vote seemed an extra shot. To drive this point further, Malakittens was upset too, but their reason was cause they wanted to chime in. Your reason was for Titus to respond. That post seems you to be trying to wash your hands when the flip is revealed as town.

At some point in the game I feel as though you’ve accused almost everyone of scum or at least thrown shade their way. This blind accusations throughout the game and especially day 3 tells me you’ve already got a scum scenario for day 4.

You had two separate wagons on you in day 1 with people thinking you’re scum. Your wagon at the end of the day was 3: BBmola (town) and Morning Tweet (town). Cat Scratch Fever was also on your wagon. You might only have avoided a lynch cause your scum buddies didn’t want to vote you. Who knows what would’ve happened day 2 without the whole Titus thing, but Titus being mislynched quickly prob saved you from a lynch. Now day 3, you’ve decided you need to act quickly before another wagon begins on you that you fear you’re not going to wriggle out of and you’re unlikely to get another player fake-claiming.

Mav did i or did i not take as you say issue with slaxx self hammer?


lol there can be no way your town as this is so bad. There is no way town you comes up with so much nonsense.



And your a player that knows i take issue with lolhammers. Doesnt matter if there self hammers or another player lolhammering. And so far self hammers have happened twice. Danny should of shouted intent and then hammered the day after. Oh and what alignment did i flip in that game and what was the alignment of the player i was pushing?




Mav your also insulting me now. You real are. Seriously i know your trying to get mislynch but there is no needed to insult me. You trying to falsely claim im scum means your are claim a hypothetical scum me is so absolutely stupid, incredibly slow and bad at this game to ok a tweet kill and not outright block it. The fact there was even a possibility i could of been lynched in day 2 proves im town. Explain why in your twisted logic why i make this kill?

Since in your own words the claimed mason was on my wagon day one. Why wouldnt i kill a claimed mason who was some on but not loudly on my wagon. vs tweet who was clearly not a town pr, who was loudly for my lynch and noone elses. Why would i kill tweet when a player like thats is a godsend.




You serously are trying hard to save bambi. So much effort to try and get my slot lynched yet you and bambi are ignoring each other. You say your unsure of allomacer and bambi. Yet your making no attempt to sort them. No attempt what so ever.


Ok in remote possibility you are infact not scum. and your so far off your town meta and infact inline with what you said about bjj. Who do you think is scum?

You cant cope out with just your realy awful scum read on me. But who in hypothetical game where i am not town unlike this game. Who do you claim to actual beleive is on scum team with me?

[bob3141]

I'm unsure of many things, but I'm sure I can atleast add my vote to the counterwagon on Bob. I'm liking Mav, though with all the scum left that leaves my other options for town minimal.

VOTE: Bob

If Bob flips scum, then I think we can solve the game at the end. As long as the other Mason sticks around then I guess we're fine.

At every turn this day you have refused to anwser any of my questions.

You have refused to give any reads.


In fact your only actions this game has been to jump on espresso.

To lurk during the titus lynch.

Lurk the next day and still no follow up on this

"If I had to pick someone to hang today that would make a relevant alignment check based on interactions though? Trollie and The Mala slot."

why even mention this if your not going to make any attempt at a follow up. As soon as titus is lynched all forgot?


Prety much anything other than that has been to give information and not analysis.

[mavsfan41]

@bob3141: your post 919 says I’m insulting you and you seem to take offense to this. Could you please explain where I have and why you feel this way? I don’t feel as though I have personally insulted you. Sorry if I have and you feel that way. Could you please point out where? I have just mentioned your behavior during this game and why I think you’re mafia but in terms of personally insulting you, I’m oblivious to this.

On a less serious note: I do think you’ve been very WIFOM-y as your defense and trying to use this as an auto-clear which makes me all the more confident you’re scum.

[bob3141]

I feel like the amount Bob has pushed Bambi and the amount he has pushed Mav doesn't line up with him saying

i want bambi first as if im right on bambi that prety much makes you her scum partner.

Have you seen how little content bambi has produced. And how mav and bambi just refuse to make a stance on each other.


Mav makes content, bambi next to none. So there is going to be a difference. And you wont get anymore from him no do doubt until after my flip were mav says oh bob was town its must be allomancer. Then all of sudden bambi will vote up alomancer saying that he is unsure on everyone but aloomancer.



And mav does know that what he is pushing as scum case is no different to my voting habits in my last town game with him. Where town lynched me over the blatantly obvious scum bjj. Infact scum only got it as they got to deadline and me and teh rest of town had got split between the scum players. Menal and bjj.

He makes case of me making an issue and not unvoting titus. When its no different to how i responed to slaxx lol hammering himself. Where i had decided to unvote after reading his posts over the time peroid he was dangled at l-1 (at work) but got home to see he had self hammered himself. I have no posting at work rule.


And im prety sure he even checked my scum meta that game. Even a quick glance of my games would show I avoid get my hands dirty. Looking back at my scum games my vote records normaly too good to be true lol.

No way can think a town mav would ever makes this push against me.

[mavsfan41]

In terms of not killing a claimed mason: why would you? BBmola was likely confirmed town but not very active as a player. A mason is a weaker town role and BBmola wasn’t pushing any agenda as much as other players. Other than having a confirmed town, leaving BBmola around wasn’t as threatening to scum in the short term. 11 players entering day 2 means any one player was more trivialized then than in day 3 or 4 when the active roster or players is smaller and smaller. Also, when the NK was made, Titus had claimed PT cop which imo would’ve been a better target and a stronger PR than BBmola.

[geraintm]

I was waiting for titus replys. Danny you did hammer far to hasty. Though my gut is saying in that situation any scum not already on the wagon would simply let a townie hammer.

Couldn't you just have unvoted in that case?

CSF - I like tha above post
but got nothing else from them today. but if I am leaning bob as scum, that implies CSF is town

That is stupid reason for scum reading someone germa.

Shoudl of i unvoted maybe but as town you dont think of these things. You dont think when another towny migth act bad. Should i have unvoted Judge before he hammered him self maybe. Shoudl i have unvoted before slaxx hammered himself maybe. Should i of unvoted and not risk a townie lol hammering maybe.

But i like to see how players react to beign at l-1 and how players react to them being there. To find those lickign their chops at the lynch that there not on. See who is desperately trying to get another lynch or atleast more info from it. See who has become resigned.

Scum me would have no incentive to even be involved in the titus lynch. If this game i had been scum rather than town this game I would of passionately defended titus to get you all to lynch him.

I didn't vote for you for this, I voted you for other reasons. This was actually from my next player read through, and I hadn't come across it before voting for you.