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[davesaz]

I wouldn't be surprised if tictac/Chemist is scum too, both major wagons are scum, and scum are having trouble getting traction.

[bob3141]

Corrected soem grammar

tweet are you talking about chemists one shot jail keeper claim.

Its a weak claim as it realy only has one shot if true. And unlikely to be self resolving nor be a strong choice for scum trying to avoid being lynched. If he was scum i would have assumed he would have just claimed jailkeeper.

But in 2119 were he was scum chem claimed assetic doc even though a plain doc would have been a better.

[HoldenGolden]

Neon mafia is Chemist last replace in from what I see that they replaced in somewhat late (I realize my question is flawed due to the timing of replacement impacting contributions), but it still shows the issues I have with the slot.

Compared to that game where chemist replaced in, caught up, and was producing content on their own, here they are much more reserved and uninterested it seems. More inclined to react to what's going on in the thread. This would be somewhat alright if it didnt extend to questions too namely when I asked a question and then they popped in with basically a +1 to the question.

I understand they said they replaced in for host respect and meme, but I feel they are scum coasting on their pr claim. I think this is one of those rare instances I would of felt better with a VT claim funny enough rather than the 1 shot jk.

Unless others (or chemist themselves) brings up a counter to this I'm voting them today.

[davesaz]

Bob completely ignoring me is scum indicative too.

[SirCakez]

Does anybody have experience with chemist subbing in day 1? IE if they survive till day 2 do they actually ramp up in post/content?

If not then I think the best lynch is chemist. Even given the claim, I'm finding them hard to read and they are still being relatively reactive. I rather not have to wait to lynch them purely out of them being a question mark before lylo than going ahead and getting it out of the way now. While alo is scummy, I feel the chemist lynch overall is better long term wise with a good chance of getting scum.

If we want to go with Alo though we need to push now so we get enough time for claim.

I like this logic actually. Better to get rid of them now yeah?
I don't think bob is scum here.
I feel worse about Alo now though as well from MT's 648. I didn't realize Alo hopped on my attempted Aaron wagon.

[HoldenGolden]

but overall dave just feels off to me/

I dont feel town dave would have jumped onto alort for something so small. I feel he might have started pushing him over

more but not just for giving a early weak scum read. that was changed rather quickly with that added to the fact that he real hasnt moved off him.

Migth have talked about others but has just stuck to him

I dont see a reason though why town!dave would move off alo though.

Alo hasn't really painted themselves green with their posting enough to make those on the wagon justify their vote more. If that was the case, I would be incline to agree but it simply isnt.

I'm assuming you are also suspicious of Wake them given his intial read on alo came from alo not answering a question?

[HoldenGolden]

Like I said, I just played a game where someone fake claimed Novice PT Cop of all things.

Honestly thinking now since we know nothing of the set up, I think what they claim matters less than the fact that they claimed something.

[bob3141]

Bob

What on earth are you talking about. When have you even asked me anything. The most you have done related to me is


a. ask about alorts game to which I answered

b. ask players generaly for their reads on me - to which you did not follow up at all

Did you even care about other players reads on me. What did you think of their answers or lack of answers.

c. A recent statement of no real value. A scum read with no backing.

Dave why do you think i am scum?

You havent even given a flimsy reason for why you think im scum.



So dave why do you think im scum? All your doing so far by the looks of it is trying to shade me.

a. when i mention that i town read alort
b- When ive pointed out the way you have stubbornly pushed alort does not feel anyway like how you push as town.

And ive been in 4 of your town games and quickly read your iso in the 2020. It just feels off

[davesaz]

I'm torn between treating this as a scummy thing from Alo, or thinking it points to Alo traitor signaling to (Bob IIRC?). I have no special reasons to suspect a traitor, but there are certain interactions that just ping and this is one of those categories.

I have thought this for a long time and nothing has happened to remove the thought.

[HoldenGolden]

Does anybody have experience with chemist subbing in day 1? IE if they survive till day 2 do they actually ramp up in post/content?

If not then I think the best lynch is chemist. Even given the claim, I'm finding them hard to read and they are still being relatively reactive. I rather not have to wait to lynch them purely out of them being a question mark before lylo than going ahead and getting it out of the way now. While alo is scummy, I feel the chemist lynch overall is better long term wise with a good chance of getting scum.

If we want to go with Alo though we need to push now so we get enough time for claim.

I like this logic actually. Better to get rid of them now yeah?
I don't think bob is scum here.
I feel worse about Alo now though as well from MT's 648. I didn't realize Alo hopped on my attempted Aaron wagon.

Why are you voting dave then? Shits and giggles?

If you agree with option A) and Option B) why are you on option R)?

[davesaz]

Two wagons, both have high resistance, neither player says much about the other. Both scum?

[HoldenGolden]

Eh, even chemists vote even feels a bit like survival. Bleh.

I'm bit perplexed by the vote by alo into AFF mainly because he can very easily just hop onto the chemist wagon especially since he had justified it earlier. I'm WIFOMing myself over rather or not, if it is SvS, scum busses eachother here. Scum!alo wasnt trying to bus earlier when it was tictac I guess which can explain why he is voting off wagon on Aff.

VOTE: Chemist

I'm fine leaning this way. Worse we lose 1shot jk, best we find scum, and we always clear a question mark for sure.

[HoldenGolden]

L-2 btw.

Sad, I prefer being hammer. More power.

[HoldenGolden]

I'm torn between treating this as a scummy thing from Alo, or thinking it points to Alo traitor signaling to (Bob IIRC?). I have no special reasons to suspect a traitor, but there are certain interactions that just ping and this is one of those categories.

I have thought this for a long time and nothing has happened to remove the thought.

Is there more than just the traitor point though?

[bob3141]

I'm torn between treating this as a scummy thing from Alo, or thinking it points to Alo traitor signaling to (Bob IIRC?). I have no special reasons to suspect a traitor, but there are certain interactions that just ping and this is one of those categories.

I have thought this for a long time and nothing has happened to remove the thought.

And what are those thoughts?

See at no point have you actual said any reasons as to why you think im scum.


Explain how you have came to such a conclusion.

You say your thinking hasnt changed. Yet in reality you have not justified any of it.

Dave explain why one should take this as you simply trying to shade me

[bob3141]

correction- (missed nt)

Dave explain why one shouldnt take this as you simply trying to shade me

[Aloratom]

I'm torn between treating this as a scummy thing from Alo, or thinking it points to Alo traitor signaling to (Bob IIRC?). I have no special reasons to suspect a traitor, but there are certain interactions that just ping and this is one of those categories.

I have thought this for a long time and nothing has happened to remove the thought.

And what are those thoughts?

See at no point have you actual said any reasons as to why you think im scum.


Explain how you have came to such a conclusion.

You say your thinking hasnt changed. Yet in reality you have not justified any of it.

Dave explain why one should take this as you simply trying to shade me

Is this why you are voting me, Dave? You think I'm traitor?

[HoldenGolden]

Hold up I got to do my thread policing for the year

Spoiler:

I want a nice civil debate. No prerogativical mannerisms. All posts aimed above the belt. Any digital biting, straching, and betting is right out. No cyberbullying. Memes are ok.

Now post!

[davesaz]

Aloratom voted you and was evasive on why.
Being evasive on why you voted someone, especially during RVS, is suspicious.
You seemed to be trying to ignore that this was happening.
When I asked you about it, you said "he votes people for no reason as scum" but conveniently ignored the fact he had voted you for no reason.
Only after I asked a followup, you realized that it had been a logical inconsistency. So you now tried to brush off the initial vote as RVS -- but if you realized that was the case then why try to explain it away differently in the previous question.

Neither of you are giving what I would call straightforward answers, when asked what you're thinking.
You're attacking me, when the logic of what I'm pushing is very straightforward. It's perfectly fine if you don't agree with it, even better if you can give a cohesive answer on why it's wrong, not so much that you try to dismiss it as being nothing.

[bob3141]

Two wagons, both have high resistance, neither player says much about the other. Both scum?

And do you think this is scum indicative?

Two wagons keep getting pushed and you think scum isnt atleast pushing one.

Rather you think they are both scum?



Why do you think it anything of note tic/chem hasnt said much about alort. when that slot havent said much in general. How does thats slots actions have any inpact on any read on alort?

[davesaz]

Not having any real scumreads until less than a day left in D1 is independently suspicious btw.
That looks like scum desperate to find an alternative lynch, any alternative.

[HoldenGolden]

Bob, you answered it right there. Chemist hasn't said much yet is voting alo hence why a SvS makes some sense.

[davesaz]

Town alo should be eager to vote scum chemist.

[bob3141]

Hello
VOTE: Alora

[bob3141]

where is my post