Open 777: Switch (Town Wins)

[chkflip]

VOTE: Dunnstral.

[Knightmare491]

Dunn was quite quiet on day 1, today he seems diff. I can't really put my finger on what exactly, but it gives me odd vibes.

[Knightmare491]

He was scum reading Maria too hmm, maybe they thought she's the SK?

VOTE: Dunn

[TheWizard]

Knightmare491 (3):

Elmo TeH AzN, Black Ranger, havingfitz

Dunnstral (3):

Looker, chkflip, Knightmare491

Black Ranger (1):

NDMath

Not Voting (3):

Dunnstral, Tanner, Raya36

With 10 Alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-05-09 07:33:00)

[TheWizard]

Black Ranger has been prodded for inactivity.

[Looker]

It's not possible for that combination of players to secure a lynch based on the end votecount. You're wrong:

You're right. But, I don't know how incriminating a potentially stalled mislynch is. I don't know the benefit of not lynching Knightmare vs genuinely inactive players.

Looker, do you think Knightmare is town?

I don't know what he is, but none of the cases have been damning to me. We rolled wagons through several people yesterday and then waited until the last minute to try and force a consensus. To me it looks too easy, particularly for you and Raya.

VOTE: Dunnstral.

Why?

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• I'm still processing the advantage vs the disadvantage of scum piling onto a wagon last minute and saying everyone who isn't on it is scum

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VOTE: Raya36

[Black Ranger]

My vote is provocative because I agree with Raya's 357 but I don't actually care enough about NKA to base a case on Knightmare over it.

It's a better move to make a vote here and see what happens.

Didn't like the vote:
-NDMath
-Chkflip
-Elmo

I guess by numbers alone it means it isn't exactly pro-mafia to shade me over it :shrug:

[Black Ranger]

VOTE: Knight I still believe Looker is scum but there isn't much traction there.

Is Looker the sort of player to miss a vote like Nips'?

Thoughts on Knight pushing NDMath in response to Maria voting Nips?

VOTE: tanner

How is this vote illegitimate?

That was an RVS vote.

Yeah, no, the problem was that Tanner was doing Good Stuff™ and NDMath either didn't get it or was playing dumb, and Nips came right in and voted Tanner for it. It was a anti-town stinker vote. Then when Maria came on board for Nips Knight countered with NDMath.

VOTE: tanner

NDMath opinions on this vote

The vote itself is fine. Re-reading I'm getting doubts about his interaction with tanner right before that though.

I really feel like by 70 you should have understood what Tanner was trying to do. How many heads did this fly over?

[Black Ranger]

Are you claiming vigilante?

Im making an educated guess based off the information known in the game.

A vig taking a shot would be very reckless none the less and for once at least this game I am trying not to do that.

What information in the game makes you think Maria was shot by the sk?

I still don't understand this, or rather I don't think it makes sense from a town perspective

It makes sense in the vein that what Tanner did was bait. If allowing people to freely speculate on it increases the odds of a cross kill, we should tolerate it even if it isn't optimal discussion.

[Black Ranger]

I don't think there was a good reason for sk to be off wagon yesterday?
So I think sk is probably just between Elmo, Raya, and Dunn.

Though none of those are in my top scumreads and I don't particularly care to sk hunt with all mafia still alive.

based

[Black Ranger]

Dunn was quite quiet on day 1, today he seems diff. I can't really put my finger on what exactly, but it gives me odd vibes.

Dunnstral lurks more than this as scum.

[Black Ranger]

He was scum reading Maria too hmm, maybe they thought she's the SK?

VOTE: Dunn

So are you calling Dunnstral the vig?

Based and not!vigpilled.

[Black Ranger]

VOTE: Dunnstral I don't know why you and Raya have been given passes. I get it, I wasn't around, but I feel we could've secured a lynch with the players that were around during deadline.

VOTE: Raya36

What is Raya getting a pass for?

[Black Ranger]

I'll do this or fitz today, holla @ me.

[havingfitz]

I'll do this or fitz today, holla @ me.

When you say "I'll do this" who are you referring to? If it's where your vote currently stands (Knightmare) why vote someone who is supporting the same wagon? If "this" isn't Knightmare...why is your vote still on him?

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I'm still gonna wait for fitz readlist before I make a judgment on him.

When I started earlier this week I tried to take some notes but couldn't focus enough. I didn't like Elmo's post 13 (for most of the same reasons players have already expressed). Early town reads for me were Dunnstral, alban and NDMath. As well as Overkill and Ray. Then I stopped taking notes and pretty much read the rest of the game to catch up.

I think there is probably a scum among the 3 living Maria voters (Tanner, Dunnstral and chkflip) and of those I would lean Tanner. I need to do some ISOs but for now my vote is on Knightmare to try and finish what almost happened D1 and because most of his D1 wagon I lean town on. Plus...I think he would have been more likely to get lynched D1 if he was town.

Town leans are Raya, Black Ranger, NDMath and maybe Dunnstral.
TBD on Looker and chkflip
Scum lean on Knightmare, Tanner and Elmo.

I plan to ISO folks over the rest of the weekend and if my reads change or firm up I will update accordingly.

[chkflip]

Missed ya, fitz!

[Dunnstral]

It's not possible for that combination of players to secure a lynch based on the end votecount. You're wrong:

You're right. But, I don't know how incriminating a potentially stalled mislynch is. I don't know the benefit of not lynching Knightmare vs genuinely inactive players.

No lynching in that scenario is a plus for Mafia, approximately neutral for SK (In my opinion), and a minus for Town

Even if Knightmare is town, we would be better off if he voted himself at the end of the last day phase, rather than waste a day and then get voted up again anyway.

Now we can't tell if he wasn't lynched because everyone was afk, or because mafia didn't want to lynch one of their own, so they didn't post. Which means we pretty much have to lynch him, now.

To me it looks too easy, particularly for you and Raya.

What looks too easy? I'm not sure what you're accusing us of. I voted Knightmare at deadline to try to avoid a nolynch - it wasn't my choice of a lynch yesterday. I think certain events point towards knightmare being scum (I'm not looking at night kills here), so today I want them dead for reasons other than deadline.

If you're saying other people are giving me a pass - I can't control what other people do, you should call those people out instead, if you have a problem with it.

I'm not sure why you switched your vote from me to Raya, but it's noted - it makes you look less like mafia in my eyes, where Knightmare came in and voted me to try to save himself (he didn't have a problem with me until I started pushing for his lynch + after you and chkflip voted me. Also, not sure what chkflip's deal is.

I think Raya is less likely to be mafia because he voted for Knightmare, especially if Knightmare is mafia.

I'm still processing the advantage vs the disadvantage of scum piling onto a wagon last minute and saying everyone who isn't on it is scum

What would you have done if you were in my position, as town?
I think you're expecting me to have gotten everybody to move their votes to someone else, when at the time a knightmare lynch looked much more attainable and realistic than getting everyone to move to a new wagon.

I think there is probably a scum among the 3 living Maria voters (Tanner, Dunnstral and chkflip) and of those I would lean Tanner. I need to do some ISOs but for now my vote is on Knightmare to try and finish what almost happened D1 and because most of his D1 wagon I lean town on. Plus...I think he would have been more likely to get lynched D1 if he was town.

Town leans are Raya, Black Ranger, NDMath and maybe Dunnstral.
TBD on Looker and chkflip
Scum lean on Knightmare, Tanner and Elmo.

Tanner seemed fine to me. Chkflip is being weird.

Dunn was quite quiet on day 1, today he seems diff. I can't really put my finger on what exactly, but it gives me odd vibes.

I don't think talking more is a real reason that you're scumreading me for

He was scum reading Maria too hmm, maybe they thought she's the SK?

VOTE: Dunn

So are you calling Dunnstral the vig?

Based and not!vigpilled.

Weak argument all around from Knightmare - again, i don't think he believes it, he's voting me because I became a viable alternative to his own lynch, in his eyes.

VOTE: Knightmare491

[TheWizard]

Raya36 has been prodded for inactivity.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

So this is a game that's happening. With the way town is flowing I don't see a clear win path which is disappointing.

[NDMath]

Winpath without vigi or crosskills
D2 Hang knightmare
D3 Figure out sk
D4 Get the scum in looker/ranger
D5 Win 3p lylo

[NDMath]

Fitz readlist was passing.

VOTE: knightmare

L-1

lol

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Winpath without vigi or crosskills
D2 Hang knightmare
D3 Figure out sk
D4 Get the scum in looker/ranger
D5 Win 3p lylo

Note I'm not trying to fight you on any of this:


1 Elmo TeH AzN
2 NDMath
3 Looker
4 Black Ranger
5 Knightmare491
6 Dunnstral
7 Raya36
8 Tanner
9 havingfitz
10 Solon chkflip

D2 So Lynch One Scum = 9 (2,1)
N2 2 Dead No Cross = 7 (2,1)
D3 Lynch Scum = 5 (1,1)
N3 On Dead Each Side 3 Way Lylo Town Loses?

Unless I did this wrong I don't see how we get to Day 5 right now without a cross kill.

[NDMath]

D2 So Lynch One Scum = 9 (2,1)
N2 2 Dead No Cross = 7 (2,1)
D3 Lynch Scum = 5 (1,1)
N3 On Dead Each Side 3 Way Lylo Town Loses?

I'm struggling to read this part.

[Raya36]

Well I was gonna come in and vote for Knightmare again but seeing as he's at L-1 I'll just say that's where I want my vote to be. Based off of NKA the only thing that has been said to make me think he could be town is that scum are setting him up to look bad (and it was him who said that). But that only makes sense if klick was the scum kill which we don't even know for sure. I think as someone mentioned, if he was town he probably would've been lynched more easily. Also I don't agree with his Dunn vote and it looks bad since Dunn was making a case on him.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Parentheses are scum numbers. The = is how many players overall