Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Morning Tweet]

I need help on why people find BBMolla so scummy. Also with GuiltyLion, I feel like i share the same opinion with him so often itd feel criminal to kill him.

also we both have shared game trauma now. Could be, as people said, a way for scum to claim towncred by surviving a game. maybe scum just wanted us dead

[Albert B. Rampage]

BM your behavior is absolutely reprehensible.

[Battle Mage]

BM is blacklisted from all my future games if he's town

>.>

Thinking ABR and BM both town.

VOTE: iDanyboy

being a jerk doesn't make him town

Notwithstanding his hissy fit, I'd give him enough credit that, as town he would actually try and respond to the case against him, which he hasn't yet done.

[Battle Mage]

BM your behavior is absolutely reprehensible.

what are you talking about?

I accused you of being mafia, and voted for you, in a game of mafia. If that's reprehensible, you're in the wrong place!

[Morning Tweet]

@ABR He has done nothing outside of playing the game and show complete respect for you as a player-- whereas you're attacking him personally. i dont get it

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't give a fuck about any of your made up cases. I'm done with you or anyone else addicted to losing who might think it's funny to join your social experiment.

[Morning Tweet]

BM is blacklisted from all my future games if he's town

>.>

Thinking ABR and BM both town.

VOTE: iDanyboy

being a jerk doesn't make him town

Notwithstanding his hissy fit, I'd give him enough credit that, as town he would actually try and respond to the case against him, which he hasn't yet done.

fair enough, I'm very susceptible to AtE reactions. I'll keep thinking about it

[SirCakez]

I think there's bad at mafia and then there's BM, running a

social experiment

3 days in a row to see how many people will follow him from:

1) tunnel vision
2) repetition ad nauseam
3) perceived level of complete certainty
4) long form posts that give an air of him putting effort into scumhunting (but is wrong)

BM, if you join MY game to shit all over it so that you can get some kind of kick from it, you will never be welcome to play with me ever again and I will make sure everyone knows on this site.

Again pathetic. It's a game dude, get over yourself. I don't care if you think you're some billy big-balls on the internet - bullying in any form sucks, and sadly for you I'm a grown man with a family, I couldn't care less for your shit.

As I say, respect for you lost. If you think bitching, crying and moaning whenever someone votes for you, makes you a good player, you're wrong. It makes you a bad player at mafia, and not pleasant to play with. If you can't handle a little heat, stay out of the kitchen.

On a lighter note, I did laugh at you accusing me of tunnel vision and repetition ad nauseum, when that's all you've been doing this game re: Blake.

Same goes for you. This kind of post is not contributing to a positive game at all. Let's keep it chill.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ABR He has done nothing outside of playing the game and show complete respect for you as a player-- whereas you're attacking him personally. i dont get it

If he's town, he's playing something else that we're not aware of.

[Battle Mage]

I don't give a fuck about any of your made up cases. I'm done with you or anyone else addicted to losing who might think it's funny to join your social experiment.

Addicted to losing?! I'm 2 wins, 1 loss in the last 10 years!

As I say, I'll forgive some of this attitude because I can understand you being disappointed at getting caught when you had ambitions to win the game single-handedly. But still, you've gone beyond what I think is acceptable behaviour here, and no justification for it.

[Battle Mage]

@ABR He has done nothing outside of playing the game and show complete respect for you as a player-- whereas you're attacking him personally. i dont get it

If he's town, he's playing something else that we're not aware of.

It's pretty standard fare. I'm town, my job is to lynch scum. You have been scummy as all hell. So my objective is to lynch you. Why is any of this surprising?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not responding to jack shit and I double dare you to keep your vote on me for the rest of the game. There aren't enough town nincompoops on this entire site to fall for whatever it is you're playing at.

[Morning Tweet]

Do you think being unwilling to respond to anything he says and calling it so stupid it's beneath you is going to ease his concerns?

[Battle Mage]

I'm not responding to jack shit and I double dare you to keep your vote on me for the rest of the game. There aren't enough town nincompoops on this entire site to fall for whatever it is you're playing at.

I won't keep my vote on you for the rest of the game, just until you're lynched.

I'm glad you're being friendlier now - a couple posts ago you were attacking everyone for making cases against you (although I think it was mostly just me).

[Morning Tweet]

Even if a case is laughably bad, why not show why it is? That's what I'd do in your situation-- Because if it's terrible, that means itd be easy to refute. Plus, youll get a better idea of why he suspects you if you actually talk about it

[Albert B. Rampage]

Do you think being unwilling to respond to anything he says and calling it so stupid it's beneath you is going to ease his concerns?

That's not my problem, we've been warned by SirCakez and I'm moving on.

[Battle Mage]

Do you think being unwilling to respond to anything he says and calling it so stupid it's beneath you is going to ease his concerns?

I mean, the point is, the case is pretty strong and there probably isn't a lot he can say. But you're right, if he did want to survive the day he could try and explain why the case is weak, argue for why someone else is scum, or do something constructive.

Instead it's just a big personal tirade for no reason, which I can only see as sour grapes from someone who has been found out, and wants to try and bully/intimidate me into not voting for them. Sorry kiddo, not gonna happen!

[Battle Mage]

Even if a case is laughably bad, why not show why it is? That's what I'd do in your situation-- Because if it's terrible, that means itd be easy to refute. Plus, youll get a better idea of why he suspects you if you actually talk about it

In fairness to me though, the case isn't bad at all, it's pretty compelling.

[Battle Mage]

Do you think being unwilling to respond to anything he says and calling it so stupid it's beneath you is going to ease his concerns?

That's not my problem, we've been warned by SirCakez and I'm moving on.

Stopping yourself being lynched is not your problem? Incredible.

I think this is all just a big distraction technique to make this seem like some personal issue (which it isn't).

[Battle Mage]

Out of courtesy for players who don't want to read all that rubbish, I will reiterate the facts and we can get Brexit done.

Had to add to my case below. Will keep updating as new facts come to light:

Why ABR is scum

1. PT Behaviour on Day 1 and post-lynch:

I noted at outset of Day 2 his behaviour in PT is exactly what I would expect from him as scum (and only Momo's behaviour made me think he was clean).
He was initially not keen to throw suspicion on others in the hood, and just wanted everyone to follow him. He just 'assumed' Momo and I were town, and only suggested Pine was scum when Pine wouldn't toe the line. ABR was non-committal on my Momo scum-read, and didn't engage with it until after the flip. After the flip, he was excited and jubilant, and claimed credit for the lynch.

2. Flavour:

As noted in my setup theory, I think Amanda Young is highly likely in the game, as a survivor. ABR has instead claimed, in the PT, that he is Corbett Denlon - the child of 2 confirmed townies. She was not a prominent feature of the film franchise, so I'm not sure she would be a character in the game, especially given both her parents were. She was also never subject to Jigsaw's traps, so I wouldn't really call her a 'survivor' at all, and she'd be way way down on the list of likely survivor characters compared to Amanda Young. Gut says it MUST be a fakeclaim.

3. PT Behaviour Night 1 onwards:

During Night 1, ABR suddenly became frantically active in the PT, having neglected it for a while before that (me and Pine were both stuck in traps at this point of course). He claimed his role and flavour, and also claimed that Xtoxm was a "mailman" (incidentally, not what he flipped), and then gave the story I repeated yesterday in order to make me suspect Xtoxm, which on reflection may not have been true. He was not keen on my suggestion of lynching those not in a PT, which suggests if ABR flips scum, there is some more credence to it. I made it clear that I didn't trust him (by not reciprocating his claim, or sharing info about what happened to me in my trap), and since then he has become very angry and aggressive in the PT.

4. Momo wagon:

ABR was not at all eager to get on the Momo wagon, despite my endless cajoling, and the fact he was pretty happy wagonning everybody else. When Momo was about to get lynched, he randomly turned attention to ABR and started tunnelling him. He knew he was dead by then, and didn't have a convincing reason, so would have been incentivised to try and buy his buddy some towncred.

5. His approach to the hood:

ABR was very keen to reveal the identities of people in the hood, has put lots of effort into protecting everyone in that hood during the day, and has taken a firm line since Day 1 that 1 scum-flip confirms the others as town. Which is exactly what he would do as scum, knowing that 50% of the hood was scum. ABR-town would maintain a healthy suspicion of me, but instead he has continually behaved as if he knows I'm town.

6. No Traps:

If ABR was town, I think he would have been high on the list for scum to trap. He has claimed that he doesn't have any immunity to this. This is not conclusive, but very suspicious given scum have focussed on other veterans like me and Farside.

7. Roleclaim Slip:

Explicitly claimed there are no VTs in the game, then later claimed VT.

8. Behaviour on Day 3 (so far):

Falsely claiming to have driven wagon on Momo on Day 1 to get town-cred.
Falsely claiming to have disagreed with case on Xtoxm and wanted to stop the lynch (when he explicitly said he agreed with the case, and was part of the lynchwagon).
Gets angry and blames Mod for giving him a bad fakeclaim.

9. Inconsistent with Vecna-VaultDweller claim:

Vecna is claiming he is someone's kid, and has a flavour and role about finding his dad (VaultDweller). ABR is also claiming to be someone's kid, but that kid is just some vanilla who ended up in the survivor PT without being a survivor. Spot the odd one out.

[Morning Tweet]

I can respond to the Flavour parts of your case. Vecna and ABR's characters do not conflict. ABR is the daughter of Jeff, who is teased to be captured by Jigsaw at the end of saw 3. Vecna is the child of the main police officer in Saw 2.

ABR's character has no involvement in the movies. She is abandoned by the writers I think. Vecnas character is being actively searched out by his father in Saw 2, it's one of the main plot points.

[Albert B. Rampage]

OK some people may wonder why I am upset?

After Xtoxm got lynched I unleashed a torrent of anger on BM in our PT yesterday within the first couple minutes of night, and then ignored him for the rest of N2.

This level of incompetence on his part is mind-boggling, and I fully blame myself for the part I played in this yesterday, which is why I continue to be upset today.

[Morning Tweet]

Townies get it wrong all the time. It's acceptable to mislynch town sometimes. I'm more annoyed that you and pisskop decided to end the day super early with the quickhammer.

[Drixx]

STILL waiting for GE to show up and spill his guts.

[Battle Mage]

I can respond to the Flavour parts of your case. Vecna and ABR's characters do not conflict. ABR is the daughter of Jeff, who is teased to be captured by Jigsaw at the end of saw 3. Vecna is the child of the main police officer in Saw 2.

ABR's character has no involvement in the movies. She is abandoned by the writers I think. Vecnas character is being actively searched out by his father in Saw 2, it's one of the main plot points.

Ah I don't mean they conflict as in they are literally the same people. I mean I don't believe there are 2 random children in the game, and of the 2, I believe the 1 that has an actual role related it to it, rather than just an alleged VT in a hood which doesn't fit.

And you're right re: ABR's character. That's a further reason I don't think she's in the game.